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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The BeyHive is disgusting. Posting unflattering pics is one thing but mocking someone's mental illness is just sick. Ban all of them.
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But it turns out that certain moderators are sensitive only to 'racism', so that's why they abuse this and know how to take advantage.
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But it turns out that certain moderators are sensitive only to 'racism', so that's why they abuse this and know how to take advantage.
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lmao no.
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Originally posted by Kworb
If people break SYG rules then they are removed from it.  It's one thing to fight about artists, it's another to purposely say the most offensive things all the time just because you can. You're not dragging an artist when you say she should get cancer and slowly die from it.
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Sorry, I like you, but you're definitely not right this time. For example rihannafan, Alexz and many other Rihanna fans insult Beyonce in a very cruel way all the time, including bashing her baby, wishing her death and so on. I won't even speak about LBOE, who has sent death wishes to almost all celebs and a few members. They are still here. And that cancer post was obviously just a joke. I remember that the Navy was trying to talk about me more than any other celeb that day on SYG and I was thinking if they do offensive and off-topic **** like that why can I speak what I want too? If so, rules should be the same for everyone.
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Originally posted by Phoenetic
Lord Cher is fine, Cher Lord isn't. It's obvious that Lloyd is very similar to Lord and that you try to use that to your advantage.
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Contradictory. By this logic, Cher Lloyd fans can't refer to their artist as Cher Lord (even though there is no Nickname involved, according the rules) simply because the surname "Lloyd" is similar to "Lord," yet Britney Spears fans, according to your post, will be able to refer to their artist as Britney Lord, because the surname "Spears" is not similar to "Lord." Furthermore, Lord = Christ and, according to Kworb, can't be used to begin with. I'm trying to shine light on how the singled-out exception of Christian deities is not only ridiculous, but illogical and bordering on discriminatory. The Nicknaming rule is clear -- if it isn't mangled, it isn't a Nickname. I challenge the moderators to exhibit a more professional, and less totalitarian frame of mind, and set their belief system aside to reconsider the singular exception of any religious figures. Reading the sentence "As long as the artist's name remains intact you can put anything in front or behind it... other than Christ" just boggles my mind. Am I living in The Twilight Zone? The statement is just wrong and absolutely crosses the line -- not everyone on this forum is a Christian. I strongly advise you leave religion out of any and all rules -- that's clearly the professional tact and is simply common practice in any environment.
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Originally posted by Kworb
Because he's generally referred to as "Jesus Christ", and it's the only two word name I can think of that can be used to turn an artist's name into a stan name.
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Arguable. Jesus Christ is more often referred to as simply Jesus or Christ. But I'll humour this absurd "two word" explanation you've put forth, Kworb. If an artist's name is two words... and either the first word or last word is truncated to insert a different name or phrase... wouldn't that all be "stan names?" According to your post, "Gaga The Great" would be warned because 1. Lady Gaga is a "two word" name and 2. Alexander The Great is a "three word" name and 3. The addition of "The Great" makes it a "stan name." Again, the logic falls apart by trying to make the Nickname rule complicated by asserting all "stan names" acceptable... except Christian deities, which again, is a problem within itself, as I've explained above.
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Originally posted by Disturbia
Sorry, I like you, but you're definitely not right this time. For example rihannafan, Alexz and many other Rihanna fans insult Beyonce in a very cruel way all the time, including bashing her baby, wishing her death and so on. I won't even speak about LBOE, who has sent death wishes to almost all celebs and a few members. They are still here. And that cancer post was obviously just a joke. I remember that the Navy was trying to talk about me more than any other celeb that day on SYG and I was thinking if they do offensive and off-topic **** like that why can I speak what I want too? If so, rules should be the same for everyone.
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Even though I think you're crazy, you do have a point.
I've seen miscarriage jokes, but nothing happened to them.
It's strange.
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Originally posted by Vin
Contradictory. By this logic, Cher Lloyd fans can't refer to their artist as Cher Lord (even though there is no Nickname involved, according the rules) simply because the surname "Lloyd" is similar to "Lord," yet Britney Spears fans, according to your post, will be able to refer to their artist as Britney Lord, because the surname "Spears" is not similar to "Lord." Furthermore, Lord = Christ and, according to Kworb, can't be used to begin with. I'm trying to shine light on how the singled-out exception of Christian deities is not only ridiculous, but illogical and bordering on discriminatory. The Nicknaming rule is clear -- if it isn't mangled, it isn't a Nickname. I challenge the moderators to exhibit a more professional, and less totalitarian frame of mind, and set their belief system aside to reconsider the singular exception of any religious figures. Reading the sentence "As long as the artist's name remains intact you can put anything in front or behind it... other than Christ" just boggles my mind. Am I living in The Twilight Zone? The statement is just wrong and absolutely crosses the line -- not everyone on this forum is a Christian. I strongly advise you leave religion out of any and all rules -- that's clearly the professional tact and is simply common practice in any environment.
Arguable. Jesus Christ is more often referred to as simply Jesus or Christ. But I'll humour this absurd "two word" explanation you've put forth, Kworb. If an artist's name is two words... and either the first word or last word is truncated to insert a different name or phrase... wouldn't that all be "stan names?" According to your post, "Gaga The Great" would be warned because 1. Lady Gaga is a "two word" name and 2. Alexander The Great is a "three word" name and 3. The addition of "The Great" makes it a "stan name." Again, the logic falls apart by trying to make the Nickname rule complicated by asserting all "stan names" acceptable... except Christian deities, which again, is a problem within itself, as I've explained above.
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Britney Lord is okay yes. It's a stupid name so no one would say that anyway. And Christ may mean Lord but it doesn't mean it's the same thing.
"The Great" is more of a description than part of a name. Great is a common adjective. Christ is used exclusively for Jesus.
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Why do the members even call their faves Jesus / Christ/ God? I find it rather embarassing 
I mean "Queen" or "King" is pretty much the peak of elegant and stylish applying of the title for the ar****. 
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Originally posted by Kworb
Britney Lord is okay yes. It's a stupid name so no one would say that anyway. And Christ may mean Lord but it doesn't mean it's the same thing.
"The Great" is more of a description than part of a name. Great is a common adjective. Christ is used exclusively for Jesus.
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Kworb...
I hope you're understanding the grander scheme of my post and bringing it to the moderator's attention. It's not about these simple technicalities or you trying to justify or not justify the use of this word or that word. My above statement is more based on the archaic principle of adding religion to a set of rules. That is simply not done in an everyday environment, let alone in 2013. This isn't Sunday Mass or Catholic School -- it's ATRL, a pop music forum. This simply should not be an issue.
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Originally posted by Vin
Contradictory. By this logic, Cher Lloyd fans can't refer to their artist as Cher Lord (even though there is no Nickname involved, according the rules) simply because the surname "Lloyd" is similar to "Lord," yet Britney Spears fans, according to your post, will be able to refer to their artist as Britney Lord, because the surname "Spears" is not similar to "Lord." Furthermore, Lord = Christ and, according to Kworb, can't be used to begin with. I'm trying to shine light on how the singled-out exception of Christian deities is not only ridiculous, but illogical and bordering on discriminatory. The Nicknaming rule is clear -- if it isn't mangled, it isn't a Nickname. I challenge the moderators to exhibit a more professional, and less totalitarian frame of mind, and set their belief system aside to reconsider the singular exception of any religious figures. Reading the sentence "As long as the artist's name remains intact you can put anything in front or behind it... other than Christ" just boggles my mind. Am I living in The Twilight Zone? The statement is just wrong and absolutely crosses the line -- not everyone on this forum is a Christian. I strongly advise you leave religion out of any and all rules -- that's clearly the professional tact and is simply common practice in any environment.
Arguable. Jesus Christ is more often referred to as simply Jesus or Christ. But I'll humour this absurd "two word" explanation you've put forth, Kworb. If an artist's name is two words... and either the first word or last word is truncated to insert a different name or phrase... wouldn't that all be "stan names?" According to your post, "Gaga The Great" would be warned because 1. Lady Gaga is a "two word" name and 2. Alexander The Great is a "three word" name and 3. The addition of "The Great" makes it a "stan name." Again, the logic falls apart by trying to make the Nickname rule complicated by asserting all "stan names" acceptable... except Christian deities, which again, is a problem within itself, as I've explained above.
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Mess at this mess that I couldn't be bothered to read, but Vin raises a valid point with the solo Christianity issue. It seems ridiculous to solo out "Christ" and forbid that, ignoring the derivatives of word and any alternatives (as well as equal names from other religions).
With the first issue you raised though Vin, the reason 'Cher Lord' is warnable is because it would be unknown as to whether the second name was being mangled or replaced. To the convenience of the stan they could argue they were replacing 'Lloyd' with 'Lord' which would render the nickname acceptable, but the names are so alike it would be too close to distinguish between a mangled name and a replaced name. The only appropriate way to deal with the situation is to take into account that Cher Lloyd's stage name is 'Cher Lloyd', so putting 'Lord' as the surname would be a nickname because her official name demands the use of 'Lloyd' as her second name. If the person uses the name 'Cher Lord' then they've mangled the second part of the name that is still technically hers.
It's sod's law that Cher Lloyd stans can't use that particular nickname for their fave because it strays too close to the original - but that can't be changed.
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Sometimes it seems as if Vin argues just for the sake of arguing, which is exactly why he is one of my favorite members.
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Sometimes it seems as if Vin argues just for the sake of arguing, which is exactly why he is one of my favorite members.
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When I see something wrong, I can't help but to speak up. It's in my nature.
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Originally posted by Vin
Kworb...
I hope you're understanding the grander scheme of my post and bringing it to the moderator's attention. It's not about these simple technicalities or you trying to justify or not justify the use of this word or that word. My above statement is more based on the archaic principle of adding religion to a set of rules. That is simply not done in an everyday environment, let alone in 2013. This isn't Sunday Mass or Catholic School -- it's ATRL, a pop music forum. This simply should not be an issue.
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There's no religion mentioned anywhere in the nickname rule. People use religious names to turn artist names into stan names. It's one of the many ways they do it. There's not a specific religion that's being singled out.
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Originally posted by Disturbia
Sorry, I like you, but you're definitely not right this time. For example rihannafan, Alexz and many other Rihanna fans insult Beyonce in a very cruel way all the time, including bashing her baby, wishing her death and so on. I won't even speak about LBOE, who has sent death wishes to almost all celebs and a few members. They are still here. And that cancer post was obviously just a joke. I remember that the Navy was trying to talk about me more than any other celeb that day on SYG and I was thinking if they do offensive and off-topic **** like that why can I speak what I want too? If so, rules should be the same for everyone.
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And may you continue to log out to view SYG until the end of time.
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Where is the warnings and reports thread for December? I can't find it 
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Originally posted by Kworb
There's no religion mentioned anywhere in the nickname rule. People use religious names to turn artist names into stan names. It's one of the many ways they do it. There's not a specific religion that's being singled out.
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Of course religion is not officially in the Nickname portion of the Rules and Guidelines... because no one has been BOLD enough to add it in, which, I would like to believe, is because the mods, admins, and site owner know it's essentially immoral to do so. But even though it's not officially in the Nickname portion of the Rules and Guidelines, moderator's are trying to "add in" an undertone of religion to the rule: "The Christ Clause."
These are your words, paraphrased:
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As long as the [artist's name] remains intact you can put anything in front or behind it. Other than Christ.
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This statement is simply unacceptable, especially given the current Nickname rule, where it states nothing of using Christ.
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Nicknames — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have mangled the name of a celebrity or public figure into a stan name or a hater name.
Allowed: Honorary titles and shortened names such as "Queen Britney", "Legend X", "Princess Ri", etc
Not allowed: Over the top mangling or disrespectful names such as "Godga", "Successica Legendson", "Rihtard", etc
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Not to mention, your statement precedes your current contradictory statement: "There's not a single religion that's being singled out." You specifically mentioned Christ, not other religious deities or other variations of the word "Christ." You've argued Britney Lord is acceptable, but Ke$ha Christ is not. What is the difference? There is none. Both "Lord" and "Christ" hold the same weight. But the bigger picture being... it shouldn't even be an issue, because religion should not be interjected into the Nickname rule or any rule on the forum. There's three professional avenues to take:
1. Ban all stan names. (Extreme)
2. Stan names are acceptable within the Nicknames rule. (Moderate) - i.e. Cher Lord is acceptable. Godga is not acceptable.
3. All stan names are acceptable. (Relaxed)
You have to look at the situation professionally, but also for what it truly is: a loophole. It's a simple as that. All sets of rules have them and this current loophole is one that simply needs to be accepted, because trying to moderate the usage of Christ, specifically, is simply not the right thing to do morally, because, again, you're essentially imposing a certain set a religious beliefs on members of the forum.
Disclaimer: This post is not an attack on you, personally, Kworb.
It is completely understood that you are not solely responsible for the rules and regulations of the forum.
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