Black community should show more their support to their people, it doesn't matter if they are making "white" music
I agree. but as I've said, a lot of us have been brainswashed by corporate on what to accept or reject as being a true black artist and it's a shame because we invented most of the original genres. I firmly believe there would be no "pop culture" without us.
Women of color with SOLO/LEAD hits 00-09 (of the top of my head):
Shakira
Aaliyah
Monica
Mariah
Brandy
Christina
Beyoncé
Rihanna
Alicia
Missy
Ciara
Cassie
Christina Milan
M.I.A.
Lil Kim
Eve
Keyshia Cole
Ashanti
Mary J. Blige
Macy Gray
Tweet
Samantha Mumba
Amerie
Debelah Morgan
Erykah Badu
Keri Hilson
Jennifer Lopez
Women of color with SOLO hits (10-12)
Rihanna
Nicki Minaj
Jennifer Lopez
Demi Lovato
I mean, staggering.
A better comparison would be comparing 2000-2002 with 2010-2012. I feel like you'd knock out a significant number of the people on that list who didn't have hits until later in the decade.
Black community should show more their support to their people, it doesn't matter if they are making "white" music
Actually, it does matter.
You shouldn't support an artist just because they're the same colour as you. You should support an artist because of their MUSIC. If they make music you don't like, then you shouldn't support them. If Nici Minaj releases the same song as Katy Perry, then you should like both of them, or neither of them. Likewize, if Justin Bieber releases the same songs as Chris Brown, you should like both of them, or neither of them.
I think the urban community are a bit racist aswell tbh. I'm still waiting for Macklemore to get top 50 on urban. It's a disgrace that Diamonds is top 20 on mediabase whilst Thrift Shop still isn't in the top 50. It's obviously because he's white. There's no other explanation.
I'm a big fan of hip hop, but it pisses me off that whenever a white person does, or is on, a hip hop song, they get so ignored by the urban community. I bet My Life by 50 Cent won't get much urban airplay either, even though it's clearly hip hop.
This being the most liked facebook post in history makes me so uncomfortable.
"your image is cancerous to this earth"
"genuinely would treat a piece of dog **** with more respect than you"
"how many brainless teenage girls you have corrupted"
"I don't think you even deserve to be treated with basic sincerity"
The senseless hate Nicki gets makes me so sad/mad.
Rihanna has trascended the (very real) barriers placed on black women by acting like any white pop star would from "SOS" onwards. That's a song that could have gone to Britney, to start with. And after that if you look at the Shut Up and Drive video it's pretty obvious, it's practically a Britney video, also has her as a pop/rock girl with her backing band rocking out). But she's also retained her "urban" status by still making poppy R&B songs and since she's an Island girl, she can get away with songs like Rude Boy that appeal to pop and urban. It gives her a certain "flavour" and that's why she's big all around the world. She can go from a pure house track like We Found Love and then make a song like Birthday Cake smash on Urban effortlessly, or act "thug" and make that believable too. She has the best of both worlds and is in a really, really privileged position. She's the perfect pop star right now because she can do any genre, any kind of song and make it smash.
I don't agree that she has succeeded beyond the boundaries of being a black woman. She still slides nicely into the stereotypes of being an oversexualized, jaded ice queen who's always ready to party. That's one "model" of black pop star that our country accepts and she has capitalized on it. Although her being Bajan makes it different. But she's not exactly like Britney, who has always tried to hold onto her girl next door image (even back in the Slave days she was never as sexy as Rihanna has been since 2009), and she's not as "innocent" and weightless as people like Carly Rae and Katy Perry--she never could be. Black women aren't allowed to exist in that mold.
I don't agree that she has succeeded beyond the boundaries of being a black woman. She still slides nicely into the stereotypes of being an oversexualized, jaded ice queen who's always ready to party. That's one "model" of black pop star that our country accepts and she has capitalized on it. Although her being Bajan makes it different. But she's not exactly like Britney, who has always tried to hold onto her girl next door image (even back in the Slave days she was never as sexy as Rihanna has been since 2009), and she's not as "innocent" and weightless as people like Carly Rae and Katy Perry--she never could be. Black women aren't allowed to exist in that mold.
If a black person had done I'm a Slave 4 U, then it would've been a huge urban hit. This is what I mean, the urban community also have to be more accepting when a white person does urban music, and not just ignore them.
If a black person had done I'm a Slave 4 U, then it would've been a huge urban hit. This is what I mean, the urban community also have to be more accepting when a white person does urban music, and not just ignore them.
Think about that song title for a second, do you really believe that?
But what's your point? Just that white people can appropriate "black" music whenever they want and black people can't find their footing in the "white" music scene that they need for widespread popularity? If so I agree.
Think about that song title for a second, do you really believe that?
But what's your point? Just that white people can appropriate "black" music whenever they want and black people can't find their footing in the "white" music scene that they need for widespread popularity? If so I agree.
Yeah, that title wouldn't be good;
My point is, urban radio is racist. You find more black people being played on pop radio than you find white people on urban radio, even though there's tons of white artists out there making songs that can be played on the format (especially during 2002-2007).
The mainstream black artists are CONSTANTLY using white people music to get hits in the past few years. We Found Love, Forever, The Way I Are, Starships, Sexy Chick, I Gotta Feeling, Right Round, Disturbia, Only Girl, Scream, Let Me Love Your, Don't Wake Me Up, etc.
And they've had tons of success doing that. All over the world.
I agree. but as I've said, a lot of us have been brainswashed by corporate on what to accept or reject as being a true black artist and it's a shame because we invented most of the original genres. I firmly believe there would be no "pop culture" without us.
My point is, urban radio is racist. You find more black people being played on pop radio than you find white people on urban radio, even though there's tons of white artists out there making songs that can be played on the format (especially during 2002-2007).
The mainstream black artists are CONSTANTLY using white people music to get hits in the past few years. We Found Love, Forever, The Way I Are, Starships, Sexy Chick, I Gotta Feeling, Right Round, Disturbia, Only Girl, Scream, Let Me Love Your, Don't Wake Me Up, etc.
And they've had tons of success doing that. All over the world.
Did you really think about those sentences before you typed them?
My point is, urban radio is racist. You find more black people being played on pop radio than you find white people on urban radio, even though there's tons of white artists out there making songs that can be played on the format (especially during 2002-2007).
The mainstream black artists are CONSTANTLY using white people music to get hits in the past few years. We Found Love, Forever, The Way I Are, Starships, Sexy Chick, I Gotta Feeling, Right Round, Disturbia, Only Girl, Scream, Let Me Love Your, Don't Wake Me Up, etc.
And they've had tons of success doing that. All over the world.
What? Why should white people get played on black radio? They already have white radio open to them, which is much harder for black people to get played on. Reverse racism isn't a thing.
That's also because "making white music" is privileging up, i.e. seen as superior to making "black music," whereas the opposite is true when a white person raps or sings R&B (other than the rare case where they become THE most popular rapper in the world because they're white, or have the biggest album of the 2010s, let alone soul/R&B album, because they're white).
I don't agree that she has succeeded beyond the boundaries of being a black woman. She still slides nicely into the stereotypes of being an oversexualized, jaded ice queen who's always ready to party. That's one "model" of black pop star that our country accepts and she has capitalized on it. Although her being Bajan makes it different. But she's not exactly like Britney, who has always tried to hold onto her girl next door image (even back in the Slave days she was never as sexy as Rihanna has been since 2009), and she's not as "innocent" and weightless as people like Carly Rae and Katy Perry--she never could be. Black women aren't allowed to exist in that mold.
Britney was never that sexual?
And since when is Katy Perry innocent? Shooting whip cream out of your boobs is definitely not Carly Rae material. Jordin Sparks fits that "innocent" look and she's had success
The problem with other black girls that attempt to release pop music is that the quality of the music is just not up to par, and when will you see a black woman other than Rihanna release full fledged EDM tracks? Rihanna's vocals are... different. She can really do any sound. Other black women who sing today often try to over-sing or try to add soul to their voice.
More than anything, it's just her accent influencing her tone.
Most black women just have that soul in their voice; it's not something they can turn off. Tina Turner can't switch that off, Chaka Khan can't switch that off, Christina Aguilera ( ) can't switch that off. It's as much apart of their voice as their tone is. It's like trying to tell a country artist to knock the twang or accent out of their voice. I don't think they can.
But while we're on the topic of soulful voices doing dance music, what's this?
Britney was never that sexual?
And since when is Katy Perry innocent? Shooting whip cream out of your boobs is definitely not Carly Rae material. Jordin Sparks fits that "innocent" look and she's had success
and that was short-lived and she came off of an already mainstream platform.
You shouldn't support an artist just because they're the same colour as you. You should support an artist because of their MUSIC. If they make music you don't like, then you shouldn't support them. If Nici Minaj releases the same song as Katy Perry, then you should like both of them, or neither of them. Likewize, if Justin Bieber releases the same songs as Chris Brown, you should like both of them, or neither of them.
I think the urban community are a bit racist aswell tbh. I'm still waiting for Macklemore to get top 50 on urban. It's a disgrace that Diamonds is top 20 on mediabase whilst Thrift Shop still isn't in the top 50. It's obviously because he's white. There's no other explanation.
I'm a big fan of hip hop, but it pisses me off that whenever a white person does, or is on, a hip hop song, they get so ignored by the urban community. I bet My Life by 50 Cent won't get much urban airplay either, even though it's clearly hip hop.
That's a good point on Thrift Shift being ignored and Diamonds being embraced by urban radio Although to be fair, as I mentioned earlier, I think that was more about Rihanna and her label realizing how tight The Hot 100 would be and wanting to get extra points to boost her up to get that #1.
If anybody is interested, list of black artists that have been top 10 in the UK so far during 2012:
Rihanna
LMFAO (mixed race)
Labrinth
Tinie Tempah
Flo Rida
Lloyd
Andre 3000
Lil Wayne
Rizzle Kicks (mixed race)
Taio Cruz
Cover Drive
Chris Brown
will.i.am
Rita Ora
Emeli Sande
Nicki Minaj
Stooshe
Tinchy Stryder
Marcus Collins
Alexandra Burke
Jay-Z
Kanye West
Sean Paul (mixed race)
JLS
Usher
Janelle Monae
Sway
John Legend
B.o.B
Ne-Yo
D'Banj
Dizzee Rascal
Wiz Khalifa
Wiley
Ms. D
Trey Songz
Angel
Public Enemy
Leona Lewis
Childish Gambino
Skepta
JME
Misha B
Alicia Keys
I firmly believe there would be no "pop culture" without us.
) can't switch that off. It's as much apart of their voice as their tone is. It's like trying to tell a country artist to knock the twang or accent out of their voice. I don't think they can.