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Discussion: Is eating meat natural?
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You just can't have a conversation with vegans since the majority of them are going to tell you you're wrong even when you are not. They're really brainwashed tbh. 
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No. The human body is basically designed to eat fruits.
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Yes. Every member of the Homo genus is omnivorous, dating back over 2.5 million years. We have evolved to be able to eat and digest meat.
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Originally posted by freebitch26
that's what the pharmaceutical industry wants you to believe so that you become their slave
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You're trolling, right? 
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Member Since: 7/28/2007
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Originally posted by Jet
Because going vegan conserves land and contributes to the stoppage of deforestation, world hunger, green house gas emissions, ozone depletion and global warming.
This statement is flawed because you don't seem to know what a plant-based diet is. Vegans eat grains, fruit and vegetables. People don't get sick from eating only plants, that is nonsense. However you can get sick from eating only meat. Think about that!
You're structuring your argument based off of a chart that has been declared inaccurate for over a decade Also the idea that a plant-based diet causes B12 deficiency is a myth. Nutritional yeast and fortified non-dairy milks and cereals contain more than enough B12.
Well nobody is forcing you to do anything but I'd assume it is in your best interest to at least be educated about these topics. |
Are you kidding me? I think you DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF MY POST, I said that you COULD get every single nutrient from an ALL VEGAN DIET but the thing is you could suffer from defficiency of some nutrients cause there are some nutrients in small quantities in vegetables, fruits and grains, and no I'm not basing my argument over the food pyramid, I'm basing my opinion on what I KNOW about the topic (I'm a doctor in case you think I just read some stupid internet article), WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THAT THE BEST TYPE OF DIET IS ONE WITH ALL TYPE OF FOODS IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND THAT IS TRUE
There's nothing wrong with eating meat, and there's nothing wrong with being a vegan either, but you should know that the best type of diet is a balanced one with every type of food
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by Hilary & Rock
What's up with vegans wanting to change the way the rest of the people eat?
I mean yeah, humans are naturally omivorous which means that their diet consists of all type of foods from vegetables to meat and grains. I could say a lot about the stupid argument that is not natural for humans to eat meat because if we were to eat meat only we would get in risk of getting more diseases and blah blah blah (which actually happens as well to people whose diet consist of vegetables only)...that's why we are OMNIVORES, because we need certain quantities of all type of food to fill our phisiological necessities
This image sums it up! We NEED all of the nutrients in all of the food groups and it is true, things like proteins which are in large quantities in meat also exist in vegetables but in minor quantities which is WHY you can survive without eating meat but also that means that you're gonna have to eat these vegetables in larger quantities to fill up your necessities, and still you could also suffer from illnesses like vitamin B12 deficiency.
What I'm trying to say here is that you can live on whatever the hell you want to eat, but the correct way of eating consists on ALL TYPE OF FOODS...why? because that way you're getting all type of nutrients you need without the need of taking supplements or putting yourself at risk of getting sick, being a vegan is a choice and if you're happy with it then that's amazing but don't go trying to shove that down the throat of the rest of the people please.
and to the person that says that diabetes can be "reversed" YOU REALLY SHOULD READ A LOT MORE BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE AN IDIO T  |
i can't believe people take that made up food pyramid seriously
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by Aviana
11 Pages for this..
I'm beyond speechless, somebody needs to go back to school..
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teach me then 
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by Pharaoh
.. we have flat molars AND premolars, like any other omnivore. This is basic knowledge anyone learns in their biology class. Humans have hunted animals and consumed meat since the BEGINNING OF TIME.
The only reason this thread reached this amount of pages is because of normal people amazed at this amount of lunacy. I mean, yall should go out into the world, on the streets and tell people eating meat is unnatural. People will LAUGH at you for a damn reason  |
All you have is the teeth argument which is completely false anyways and the "but humans ate meat so tha means we are omnivores and it's good for us!!!!!!" you and all the others who claim humans are omnivores have not showened any solid evidence for it while us vegans have shown how our bodies are similar to plant eaters, the health risks of comsuming animal products, and how humans have to basically heavily process meat in order for it to be eatable and not make you want to vomit
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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come on meat eaters enlighten me and show me solid proof that our bodies are identical to meat eaters/omnivores, tell me why it's essential to eat meat, tell me the health benefits!, show me a video of you catching an animal with your bare hands and ripping into it's flesh with your canine teeth and eat it RAW blood and bone! I'm waiting!!!!!
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yes. Yes. YES!
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by 7/27
Yes. Every member of the Homo genus is omnivorous, dating back over 2.5 million years. We have evolved to be able to eat and digest meat.
You're trolling, right? |
ok y'all saying "humans have evolved to eat meat" have no idea how evolution works, when you look at the amount of time humans have been eating meat as a servival mechanism it's basically nothing compared to the time our ancestors were just eating fruits and leaves, it takes millions and millions of years for us to go from one type of eater to another. If you look at our closests relatives today their diets consist of mostly fruit and vegetation and even the ones that consume meat like chimps do it once in a blue moon and only for status reasons so it makes up less than 1% of their diet and you want to make me believe we should be eating meat at least once a week? and no honey i am not trolling as any intellectual being would look at the corruption within in the "Health" industry, they want to make you believe that they truly care about your health by making food pyramid telling you to eat meat and dairy to be healthy when in reality they are the biggest contributors to the diseases we see today just so they can profit off your sickness.
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by Hilary & Rock
Are you kidding me? I think you DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF MY POST, I said that you COULD get every single nutrient from an ALL VEGAN DIET but the thing is you could suffer from defficiency of some nutrients cause there are some nutrients in small quantities in vegetables, fruits and grains, and no I'm not basing my argument over the food pyramid, I'm basing my opinion on what I KNOW about the topic (I'm a doctor in case you think I just read some stupid internet article), WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THAT THE BEST TYPE OF DIET IS ONE WITH ALL TYPE OF FOODS IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND THAT IS TRUE
There's nothing wrong with eating meat, and there's nothing wrong with being a vegan either, but you should know that the best type of diet is a balanced one with every type of food
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You know no animal on earth eats all four food groups right? You know humans are the only species on earth to drink milk after infancy and from ANOTHER species? You know humans are the only species that cooks their food? Like am i really suppose to believe that i need to eat meat, fish, dairy products, grains, beans, fruits, and vegetables to be at my optimum health when it would be impossible for me to consume all those things without modern technology humans complicate heath WAYYYYY too much, gotta get enough this gotta get enough that! More protein! More calcium! Like GURLLLL COME DOWN! Animals don't know **** about any of that they just eat what appeals to them in it's raw natural state and are completely fine. We get everything we need from fruit and tender leafy greens it's really not that complicated.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Jet
Because going vegan conserves land and contributes to the stoppage of deforestation, world hunger, green house gas emissions, ozone depletion and global warming.
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Yep. People should focus on stuff like this rather than unimportant questions like whether or not meat is natural.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
No, thats why our ancestors and primate relatives were/are malnourished from meat consumption. |
Advanced primates eat meat.
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When Jane Goodall first observed wild chimpanzees hunting and eating meat nearly 40 years ago, skeptics suggested that their behavior was aberrant and that the amount of meat eaten was trivial. Today, we know that chimpanzees everywhere eat mainly fruit, but are also predators in their forest ecosystems. In some sites the quantity of meat eaten by a chimpanzee community may approach one ton annually.
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http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html
So the answer is yes, our ancestors and closest primate relatives ate meat.
But it's cool to say that you're a vegan.
Edit - having said that, most people in the western world eat more meat than they need to.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by freebitch26
come on meat eaters enlighten me and show me solid proof that our bodies are identical to meat eaters/omnivores |
Are you referring to this diagram?
You could just replace the gorilla/frugivore column with chimpanzee (which are omnivores, albeit eating only around 5% meat) and everything would still apply (except for preferred food including meat too of course).
But this argument makes no sense anyway... the fact that our closest relatives didn't eat much meat doesn't mean that we shouldn't either... we separated from chimps around 7 million years ago, which is easily enough time to evolve and develop different diets and the adaptations to go with those diets. I mean just look at polar bears and brown bears... they separated around 400,000 years ago yet polar bears are carnivorous while brown bears are omnivorous, and both are perfectly adapted to that way of life. Does that mean it's not "natural" for polar bears to be carnivores?
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tell me why it's essential to eat meat
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Obviously it's not "essential" to eat meat (otherwise all vegetarians would die), this thread is asking if it's NATURAL not essential.
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tell me the health benefits!
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+benefits+of+meat
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show me a video of you catching an animal with your bare hands and ripping into it's flesh with your canine teeth
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We no longer need to do this as we have a precision grip which allows us to use tools, which do the work for us. This has been going on for millions of years, so yes it is 'natural'.
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and eat it RAW blood and bone!
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Why would we need to? H. sapiens have evolved to eat COOKED meat, not raw meat. The early hominins like H. habilis did eat raw meat, but later hominins learned to cook it. Because cooked meat is so much better in every way than raw meat (less bacteria, easier to digest, more available energy) it came to the point where humans no longer needed to eat raw meat at all, so it became outphased from our diet. So humans have evolved to find the chemicals given off by raw meat (as well as the texture) disgusting, as people who cook meat are more likely to survive than those that eat it raw. It's just like how we find food which is covered in dirt/soil to be disgusting, while other animals will happily eat it. We have the ability to wash food and remove the harmful microbes on it, whereas other animals don't have that option.
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Yes. That doesn't mean that factory farming isn't cruel to animals, but anyone who doesn't think it's natural for humans to eat meat is a moron and needs to do just the SLIGHTEST amount of research.
MESS @ people who think our body is "designed" to eat just fruits or vegetables... Where the hell would we get the protein we need to build muscle? Fruit is all simple carbs, not even complex carbs. If you ate nothing but fruit everyday you would be incredibly unhealthy. What a bunch of bs.
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Yes, the dumb vegans need to shut the **** up.
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Originally posted by iseeyouupsidedown
MESS @ people who think our body is "designed" to eat just fruits or vegetables... Where the hell would we get the protein we need to build muscle? Fruit is all simple carbs, not even complex carbs. If you ate nothing but fruit everyday you would be incredibly unhealthy. What a bunch of bs. |
The best sources of protein come from natural soy, lentils, beans, quinoa and seitan which are all plants. So it is actually possible to get sufficient protein without the added risk of heart disease and cancer!
Also human teeth are designed for eating and peeling fruit but our body processes and digests fruits and veggies much better than meat. Just because eating fruit comes natural to us, does not mean that it is the only food group we need, I don't think anyone in this thread has made that claim. A good healthy diet should consist of fruits and veggies with little to no meat consumption.
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