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Discussion: Usher & Mariah: New King & Queen of R&B?
Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by trinafan92
What? Can you prove this?
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
The receipts seem to not agree with you.
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Originally posted by TeemoR
Bey is the queen.
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It's not just stats that make music royalty, put Bey and Mariah on a stage and Bey would rip her to shreds, [no offence to Mariah] but theirs an appeal as a person not just as the artist & people favour Bey.
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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LMAO! You really think Usher outsold R.Kelly?He could barely outsell R.Kelly last decade.
Take a look at the top 50 artists with the highest album sales the 00-09 decade, according to SoundScan.
01 Eminem 32,241,000
02 The Beatles 30,182,000
03 Tim McGraw 24,769,000
04 Toby Keith 24,469,000
05 Britney Spears 22,969,000
06 Kenny Chesney 22,034,000
07 Linkin Park 21,421,000
08 Nelly 21,232,000
09 Creed 20,594,000
10 Jay-Z 20,424,000
11 Nickelback 19,817,000
12 Rascal Flatts 19,408,000
13 Josh Groban 19,348,000
14 Alan Jackson 18,857,000
15 N’Sync 18,303,000
16 Dixie Chicks 18,178,000
17 Johnny Cash 18,143,000
18 Kid Rock 17,614,000
19 Metallica 17,403,000
20 Celine Dion 17,363,000
21 George Strait 17,275,000
22 Michael Jackson 17,261,000
23 Norah Jones 17,087,000
24 U2 16,817,000
25 Elvis Presley 16,486,000
26 Usher 16,329,000
27 Dave Matthews Band 16,025,000
28 AC/DC 15,935,000
29 50 Cent 15,868,000
30 Alicia Keys 15,561,000
31 Rod Stewart 15,561,000
32 Santana 14,975,000
33 Destiny’s Child 14,878,000
34 Coldplay 14,604,000
35 Mariah Carey 14,341,000
36 Pink Floyd 14,164,000
37 Shania Twain 13,850,000
38 Ludacris 13,442,000
39 Enya 13,422,000
40 Green Day 13,363,000
41 Andrea Boccelli 13,353,000
42 Outkast 13,277,000
43 R. Kelly 13,234,000
44 Faith Hill 12,899,000
45 Mary J. Blige 12,614,000
46 3 Doors Down 12,551,000
47 Christina Aguilera 12,380,000
48 Limp Bizkit 12,378,000
49 Bon Jovi 12,378,00
50 Frank Sinatra 12,221,000
And bigger hits? I believe I Can Fly is bigger than any Usher song.
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Member Since: 10/30/2010
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
Mariah's career in R&B has more of a legacy than her Pop career though.
Mariah's Memorable/Iconic R&B Hits:
Fantasy (feat. O.D.B.)
One Sweet Day (Biggest Song of the 90's Decade)
Always Be My Baby
We Belong Together (Biggest Song of the 00's Decade)
Shake It Off
#Beautiful (recent hit)
Mariah's Memorable Pop Hits:
Without You (Her biggest song WW)
All I Want For Christmas Is You
Hero
Even Usher has done Pop songs, but overall both of them will be remembered for their R&B legacy imo.
They also have the Biggest Female/Male R&B Albums Ever, and some of the biggest R&B hits ever.
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This just isn't true. Daydream and Music Box are POP albums, through and through. And btw- the only iconic R&B Mariah song is the Fantasy remix. All those others are completely forgotten, except maybe WBT but I'll give it to you just cause of its initial success. The lack of recurrent play speaks for itself, though.
Usher has released a FEW pop singles. 20+ R&B/Urban songs. Mariah has released just as many, if not more, pop songs. Fantasy is a Pop song, it has an urban remix. There's a difference. Always Be My Baby is a pop song. It has an R&B tinge.
Using your standards, Rihanna would be considered an R&B artist.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by trinafan92
LMAO! You really think Usher outsold R.Kelly?He could barely outsell R.Kelly last decade.
Take a look at the top 50 artists with the highest album sales the 00-09 decade, according to SoundScan.
01 Eminem 32,241,000
02 The Beatles 30,182,000
03 Tim McGraw 24,769,000
04 Toby Keith 24,469,000
05 Britney Spears 22,969,000
06 Kenny Chesney 22,034,000
07 Linkin Park 21,421,000
08 Nelly 21,232,000
09 Creed 20,594,000
10 Jay-Z 20,424,000
11 Nickelback 19,817,000
12 Rascal Flatts 19,408,000
13 Josh Groban 19,348,000
14 Alan Jackson 18,857,000
15 N’Sync 18,303,000
16 Dixie Chicks 18,178,000
17 Johnny Cash 18,143,000
18 Kid Rock 17,614,000
19 Metallica 17,403,000
20 Celine Dion 17,363,000
21 George Strait 17,275,000
22 Michael Jackson 17,261,000
23 Norah Jones 17,087,000
24 U2 16,817,000
25 Elvis Presley 16,486,000
26 Usher 16,329,000
27 Dave Matthews Band 16,025,000
28 AC/DC 15,935,000
29 50 Cent 15,868,000
30 Alicia Keys 15,561,000
31 Rod Stewart 15,561,000
32 Santana 14,975,000
33 Destiny’s Child 14,878,000
34 Coldplay 14,604,000
35 Mariah Carey 14,341,000
36 Pink Floyd 14,164,000
37 Shania Twain 13,850,000
38 Ludacris 13,442,000
39 Enya 13,422,000
40 Green Day 13,363,000
41 Andrea Boccelli 13,353,000
42 Outkast 13,277,000
43 R. Kelly 13,234,000
44 Faith Hill 12,899,000
45 Mary J. Blige 12,614,000
46 3 Doors Down 12,551,000
47 Christina Aguilera 12,380,000
48 Limp Bizkit 12,378,000
49 Bon Jovi 12,378,00
50 Frank Sinatra 12,221,000
And bigger hits? I believe I Can Fly is bigger than any Usher song.
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You just proved my point 
26 Usher 16,329,000
43 R. Kelly 13,234,000
I said the last 20 years, not R.Kelly's whole career.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Omg at the people trying to dispute this 
You're absolutely right. They ARE the King and Queen. I still hear Burn, U Got It Bad, Confessions, and more on urban radio. Usher's dominance and impact >>>
Mariah, her ability to evolve as an artist and revolutionize R&B in the process  We Belong Together is an iconic masterpiece along with Fantasy. Just unbelievable.
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
But it would be a damn silly lie, to say BEYONCE and Future Sex had more impact than Daydream and Confessions during their times.
Both went Diamond. Both revolutionized R&B. Both are the Best-Selling Female/Male R&B Albums EVER.
To even say Beyonce has passed what Mariah has done, and Timberlake has passed what Usher has done would be an extreme fabrication.
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
Are you serious or?...
Being the top artist CURRENTLY does not make you the King/Queen of a Genre. If we went by those standards than Ashanti would've once been Queen of R&B
It's about biggest impact, achievements, and overall career the past 20+ years. |
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
NO other Female R&B Artist has sold as much albums as Mariah the last 2-3 decades.
NO other Male R&B Artist has sold as much albums as Usher the last 2-3 decades.
NO other Female R&B Artist has had as much hits as Mariah the last 2-3 decades.
NO other Male R&B Artist has had as much hits as Usher the last 2-3 decades.
They even still hold the most relevance today, of the people during their time. It's kinda the truth.
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You better clock them.
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
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add influential to successful artists both in the US and internationally.
There is actually an extremely successful group in Africa who has sold millions of album (obviously not in the US) that their career is based on Usher. They even look like him.
If people actually broaden their horizon outside of the US or actually check outside atrl, they will find successful international artists that he influenced
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Originally posted by HOVnika
It's not just stats that make music royalty, put Bey and Mariah on a stage and Bey would rip her to shreds, [no offence to Mariah] but theirs an appeal as a person not just as the artist & people favour Bey.
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I'm not even gonna argue with you on Mariah. 
If you put Madonna and Beyonce on a stage, Beyonce would do better too -- does that make her the Queen of Pop?...
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
You just proved my point
26 Usher 16,329,000
43 R. Kelly 13,234,000
I said the last 20 years, not R.Kelly's whole career.
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 at unknowingly dragging herself
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Do most people consider Usher the king of R&B now? I remember around the time confessions came out he was getting that title, but that has not been the case for him in recent years. Usher honestly always had a pop way about him, so I personally wasn't surprised when he went that route full blown in later years.
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
You just proved my point
26 Usher 16,329,000
43 R. Kelly 13,234,000
I said the last 20 years, not R.Kelly's whole career.
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This was my first reaction... I was like what the? 
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Originally posted by TheBronxGirl
Do most people consider Usher the king of R&B now? I remember around the time confessions came out he was getting that title, but that has not been the case for him in recent years. Usher honestly always had a pop way about him, so I personally wasn't surprised when he went that route full blown in later years.
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R&B is really dead, so I don't think anyone is called the King currently.
Miguel, Frank, Chris, etc are too new and haven't had anything amazing done in their careers.
Ginuwine, Boyz II Men, Mario, and most huge R&B stars of the past have faded.
But Usher is CURRENT and still makes hits, along with having an AMAZING past -- so why wouldn't he be a candidate atleast?
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And Beyonce is definitely above Mariah in the R&B field too.
Nobody considers Mariah R&B. She is seriously just like Justin in that aspect. They definitely make R&B music (Mariah since 1997, Justin for most of his solo career) but nobody sees them that way. They are both pop stars. Mariah's career went to **** the second she turned R&B and her signature songs are pop (AIWFCIY, Hero, WY globally, Fantasy remix - only urban one).
Beyonce is someone who treads the line really well and Usher too
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Your comprehension skills are terrible
If it were 20 years Mariah would've ruled R&B all through the 2000s but that title clearly went to Beyoncé (which is why I posted that receipt).
Mariah was the queen for maybe 10 years, and then Beyoncé came and took over.
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Originally posted by Jennifer
And Beyonce is definitely above Mariah in the R&B field too.
Nobody considers Mariah R&B. She is seriously just like Justin in that aspect. They definitely make R&B music (Mariah since 1997, Justin for most of his solo career) but nobody sees them that way. They are both pop stars. Mariah's career went to **** the second she turned R&B and her signature songs are pop (AIWFCIY, Hero, WY globally, Fantasy remix - only urban one).
Beyonce is someone who treads the line really well and Usher too
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Umm...
Daydream was the Best-Selling Female R&B Album of the 90's.
She did R&B, started falling, y'all said she couldn't have the same career with R&B.
The Emancipation of Mimi then became the Best-Selling Female R&B Album of the 00's (and that album is PURE R&B).
Mariah has outsold Beyonce doing Pop, Mariah has outsold Beyonce doing R&B. I don't get why y'all discredit her so much. 
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Sweetheart, Daydream isn't an R&B album. AT ALL. In any way. It is POP music.
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
You just proved my point
26 Usher 16,329,000
43 R. Kelly 13,234,000
I said the last 20 years, not R.Kelly's whole career.
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Both have sold over 60 mil.
And R.Kelly is the most successful male R&B artist of the 90s.
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Originally posted by Drais.
Your comprehension skills are terrible
If it were 20 years Mariah would've ruled R&B all through the 2000s but that title clearly went to Beyoncé (which is why I posted that receipt).
Mariah was the queen for maybe 10 years, and then Beyoncé came and took over.
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Why do you fail to understand OVERALL? It's not about who's hot for 1-2 years, it's the LAST 20 YEARS. Whether Mariah's peak was long ago, or recently -- she's done better than Beyonce the last 20 years OVERALL.
This is proven.
"Best-Selling Artists of the Soundscan Era"
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425563
3) Mariah Carey 54,209,000
Where is Beyonce on that list?
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Originally posted by Jennifer
Sweetheart, Daydream isn't an R&B album. AT ALL. In any way. It is POP music.
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And when she did do pure R&B she got the #1 Song of the Decade AGAIN, and the #1 Female R&B Album AGAIN.
So why discredit her? We know she has had impact whether the music was R&B or Pop. She's Queen of the last 20 years.
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Songs In A Minor sold more than TEOM btw.
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