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Discussion: Why is a US #1 Album important?
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I've made my case, people won't change their minds, but i feel that i've answered the thread, so peace out bitches.
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Originally posted by MrFenty
Longevity is the issue man. I'm trying to say here!! that a #1 album isn't important, and that selling in the long run is the important part.
And I'm saying a #1 single isn't important, and that selling in the long run is! Please try to stay with me here, i'm not contradicting myself.
However, if you're selling in the long run, and ALSO happen to reach #1, then that's a good thing!
You should stop comparing her to Gaga, because i yet again, did not mention her but your brought her up again.
Now, the only thing we disagree on at this point, is our definitions of selling well and longevity. But whatever, we'll never be able to change each other's minds on that.
You also shouldn't generalize the Navy, and to be honest, it's not like you didn't contradict yourself at one point. (a single for #1 at one week = poop but an album for #1 at one week = AWESOME!)
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And I'm saying that a #1 is important. And that longevity is nice, but it means nothing if you're constantly overshadowed week after week.
I'm comparing her to Gaga, because Gaga is an excellent bar for Rihanna to be reaching at this point.
A #1 single = Oh look a lot of radios thought it was catchy and a bunch of people paid $1.29 for it
A #1 album = People paid $10 or higher for a collection of songs.
A #1 album shows more support for an artist, and more revenue.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
Well said 
The backslash today is a direct consequence of the myriad of "Rihanna is the New Queen of Pop (Receipts Inside)" posts that preceded it and for the most part was directed at the Navy, not Rihanna.
I'm sure Rihanna remains unbothered, collecting her checks, looking fine as hell, not giving a ****. |
 I would beleve that if this was the first time Rihanna's lack of #1 albums were brought up. I have NO problem when people shade Rihanna but lets not hide behind petty excuses like 'cocky fans' as the reason as if EVERY fan base doesn't have their fair share! Not liking Rihanna is a good enough excuse to throw shade 
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Originally posted by MrFenty
Longevity is the issue man. I'm trying to say here!! that a #1 album isn't important, and that selling in the long run is the important part.
And I'm saying a #1 single isn't important, and that selling in the long run is! Please try to stay with me here, i'm not contradicting myself.
However, if you're selling in the long run, and ALSO happen to reach #1, then that's a good thing!
You should stop comparing her to Gaga, because i yet again, did not mention her but your brought her up again.
Now, the only thing we disagree on at this point, is our definitions of selling well and longevity. But whatever, we'll never be able to change each other's minds on that.
You also shouldn't generalize the Navy, and to be honest, it's not like you didn't contradict yourself at one point. (a single for #1 at one week = poop but an album for #1 at one week = AWESOME!)
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Originally posted by herohoney
At least we can be.
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Originally posted by Amaru
Well said
The backslash today is a consequence of the myriad of "Rihanna is the New Queen of Pop (Receipts Inside)" posts that preceded it and for the most part was directed at the Navy, not Rihanna.
I'm sure Rihanna remains unbothered, collecting her checks, looking fine as hell, not giving a ****. |
Case closed
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
Clearly you're reading skills are lacking since you disregarded the part where I clearly stated I was going to leave the trivialization of numerical chart positioning aside for a second.
Rihanna just had a Multi-platinum album, a world tour, 4 #1 singles in the US and the current #1 on radio.... She should have effortlessly outsold Nickelback and she didn't.
You can take 2 seats. One for every artist that outsold your fave this week.
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JESUS.
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Why is it that #1 albums matter to everyone except the stans that stan for people who don't have #1 albums? Not only did TTT not debut at #1, but it was also outsold by a band that has become the paragon for bad music and a pop cultural joke. THAT SAYS SOMETHING. Something about how Rihanna is so successful and unsuccessful at the same time because of how her success contradicts itself. Rihanna's inability to score a #1 album means that if she were to go a few years without putting out another album, she would be done for.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Shape
And I'm saying that a #1 is important. And that longevity is nice, but it means nothing if you're constantly overshadowed week after week.
I'm comparing her to Gaga, because Gaga is an excellent bar for Rihanna to be reaching at this point.
A #1 single = Oh look a lot of radios thought it was catchy and a bunch of people paid $1.29 for it
A #1 album = People paid $10 or higher for a collection of songs.
A #1 album shows more support for an artist, and more revenue.
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A bunch of people 
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
I would beleve that if this was the first time Rihanna's lack of #1 albums were brought up. I have NO problem when people shade Rihanna but lets not hide behind petty excuses like 'cocky fans' as the reason as if EVERY fan base doesn't have their fair share! Not liking Rihanna is a good enough excuse to throw shade |
Of course every fan base has their share of crazies . This time it was Rihanna's turn, like I said "Loud" had amazing worldwide sales, and a lot of stans took that to heart.
Every stanbase gets humbled. Were you here for the Judas massacre? It was slaughter, especially after how cocky the monsters (myself included) got after TFM era. 
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Originally posted by vengabeat
Why is it that #1 albums matter to everyone except that stans that stan for people who don't have #1 albums?
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Because the artist who doesn't have any #1 albums has had as much if not more success then the artists who do have #1 albums...so why should it matter much 
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Because the artist who doesn't have any #1 albums has had as much if not more success then the artists who do have #1 albums...so why should it matter much |
It matters because being able to score a #1 album shows how relevant/powerful you are. She has 11 #1 singles, 10m Twitter followers, 45m Facebook "likes", and more subs on YT than any other artist and she still can't pull in enough sales to debut at #1. There's something clearly wrong with Riri's so-called "success".
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Originally posted by Amaru
Of course every fan base has their share of crazies . This time it was Rihanna's turn, like I said "Loud" had amazing worldwide sales, and a lot of stans took that to heart.
Every stanbase gets humbled. Were you here for the Judas massacre? It was slaughter, especially after how cocky the monsters (myself included) got after TFM era. |
Doesn't matter how many humbeling experiences you have on this board, this board is still a clash of stans who obsess over their faves and throw shade at other artist as a result of competitive nature. There's nothing wrong with it, lets just not act like Rihanna or any other big name artist on this board wouldn't continue to be dragged EVEN if her stans were the most humble and modest fanbase on this board. I mean the Katy Kats are probably the most tame fanbase on this board but that doesn't stop Katy from being dragged left and right damn near every day 
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And some of you don't get it, having a #1 album in the most competitive market is an accomplishment in itself. Why do you think a lot of foreign acts come to America to try their luck? If you can make it in America, you can make it anywhere. That's why a lot of US acts are embraced globally. If you can get how many every amount of people to go to the store - knowing how lazy Americans are - and purchase your album, that speaks to the artist's talent, appeal, and popularity. It also shows the public that the artist is capable of creating a cohesive body of work (an album), and it's good enough that people will spend their money on it.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by vengabeat
It matters because being able to score a #1 album shows how relevant/powerful you are. She has 11 #1 singles, 10m Twitter followers, 45m Facebook "likes", and more subs on YT than any other artist and she still can't pull in enough sales to debut at #1. There's something clearly wrong with Riri's so-called "success".
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being able to sell 5-6 million albums a YEAR says more about your relevancy/power
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
And some of you don't get it, having a #1 album in the most competitive market is an accomplishment in itself. Why do you think a lot of foreign acts come to America to try their luck? If you can make it in America, you can make it anywhere. That's why a lot of US acts are embraced globally. If you can get how many every amount of people to go to the store - knowing how lazy Americans are - and purchase your album, that speaks to the artist's talent, appeal, and popularity. It also shows the public that the artist is capable of creating a cohesive body of work (an album), and it's good enough that people will spend their money on it.
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no one said it's not an accomplishment but it's not the biggest indication of an artist's success...TOTAL sales are!
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Doesn't matter how many humbeling experiences you have on this board, this board is still a clash of stans who obsess over their faves and throw shade at other artist as a result of competitive nature. There's nothing wrong with it, lets just not act like Rihanna or any other big name artist on this board wouldn't continue to be dragged EVEN if her stans were the most humble and modest fanbase on this board. I mean the Katy Kats are probably the most tame fanbase on this board but that doesn't stop Katy from being dragged left and right damn near every day |
This board is shady ass mess but that's half the fun, right?
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
This board is shady ass mess but that's half the fun, right?
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it definitely keeps me entertained
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
no one said it's not an accomplishment but it's not the biggest indication of an artist's success...TOTAL sales are!
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But an artist should be able to get their full body of work supported by their country of origin (in this case using America as Rihanna, as Barbados is a not a major music market with charts and so forth).
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
But an artist should be able to get their full body of work supported by their country of origin (in this case using America as Rihanna, as Barbados is a not a major music market with charts and so forth).
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It really shouldn't matter where the support comes from when the goal is to be a Global superstar...and it's not as if she's not successful here in the U.S, it's just not her most successful market.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
It really shouldn't matter where the support comes from when the goal is to be a Global superstar...
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If MOST OF your success comes from a select few places, you're not a global star. Most of Rihanna's success is anglophone markets.
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Goodnight gerls....it's late 
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