If Nintendo would had released the Wii U after competitors(xbox one, playstation 4) would it had changed how the console would have sold/ performed?

No it would've done the same or worse. But it doesn't matter because it got that acclaim

Wouldn't have even sold it's initial shipments.

wht?

Has Wii U even sold through its initial batch? Didn't the predict like 18 mill consoles sold in the first year?

The Wii U would have done worse as it would have likely had even less third party games. The Wii U's problem wasn't the first party support as they provided some of the best exclusives of the gen, it was the lack of external support. That paired with a lack of a robust online system.

Yes, it has.

Predictions =/= production.

Probably worse. Even as a Nintendo Stan, the Wii U was just an overall mess. Nothing else to do but learn and move on.

Worse. Nintendo really burned a lot of bridges with third party support.

Say what you will about Sony and Microsoft's current exclusives but they know how to treat their own well.

I feel like this is based on critics sucking up to Nintendo, than fan input.
This has been one of the worst era's for Nintendo games.

Mario 3D World and StarFox being some of the better examples of how poor Nintendo have been this gen. Recycled NSMB, which was recycled again with Luigi. Recycled SM3DL, which was AGAIN recycled for Toad. Star Fox was recycled from the 3DS game.

I mean, very little was original or creative. Donkey Kong Country Freeze was one of the only games that held up to Nintendo's usual standards.

Maybe.

No, sales would not improve. If anything, releasing a year before the other two helped it.

It's a shame though because the games up through Mario Maker (excluding the Wii series games and a couple of rehashes/remakes) are actually Nintendo's best output in years. Everything since Mario Maker has seem uninspired. It's like they gave up on the console, and I don't blame them.

It's make it or break it for Nintendo consoles with NX. If it flops, they better quickly stop production of all their hardware and become a third party developer before they become a Sega.

It would have done worse. Nintendo keeps on trying to release its next-gen systems early, but the technology isn't really next-gen. It's so easy for competitors to pass it, because Nintendo keeps on giving B level effort.

I don't know where you're getting that from.

Most games this gen were recycled from the 3DS or Wii. Very little original content.
Smash and Mario Kart were also weak compared to Brawl or Namco's version.

DK was literally the only game made by Nintendo that was worthy of a legacy mention.

I know for a fact Sony's first party studio's are going all out this gen, with the only major misstep being Knack. MS is still at least doing better on the exclusives front than the original Xbox.

Nintendo peaked with GameCube, improved in some areas with the Wii, and the Wii is just new games based on old games. There's nothing that's gamechanging on the Wii U which is why people aren't here for it.

It's all been done. Zelda was the only game that seemed to be groundbreaking for Nintendo and they can't get it on the shelf.

It would have done worse probably. Piggybacking off the Wii name didn't exactly help either.

Keeps on trying? This is the first time they've released their console first since at least the SNES.

The N64 actually blew the PS1 out of the water spec-wise, even before the RAM expansion pak was released. Nintendo even wanted to reduce loading times, so instead of switching to slow CDs they used cartridges again. However, a lot of games started to outgrow the smaller size of the N64 cartridges, and compressing textures only did so much. Also, the PS1 was released earlier. Nintendo did try a disk addon to the N64 called the 64DD (disks were like floppy disks) that was meant to be released soon after the actual console but was delayed to late 1999 and was discontinued less than a year later. However, a game like FF7 which uses 3 discs would need (depending on how much space is used on the discs) 31 64DD disks so it was effectively pointless. This was their first misstep. Luckily the only other competition at the time was Sega, and the Saturn was flopping even harder.

The GameCube was released in November 2001. By this point the PS2 had already scalped the Dreamcast, and the original Xbox had been released a few days ago. While the GameCube was just slightly less powerful than the Xbox, both were significantly more powerful than the PS2. However, the GameCube ended up selling the least because of the PS2's head start and it used those stupid mini DVDs instead of full-size ones, so again games couldn't fit on one disc.

The Wii was released two days after the PS3, and a year after the 360. Despite being an overclocked GameCube with motion controls, the Wii effortlessly slayed the other two in sales because of its relatively inexpensive price. However, this didn't necessarily translate into game sales as most people bought the system to play games like Wii Sports. Nintendo lost all serious third-party support with the Wii as it was much less powerful than the 360 and PS3. By 2010 people didn't care about the Wii anymore except for Just Dance. Later that year, they lost that advantage too (although people who were too cheap or couldn't afford a 360 with Kinect kept buying the Wii versions, and the last version is 2016. It is unknown if 2017 will be released on the Wii. My bets are on no.) This is the only time they were successful releasing after the other consoles, and it was still last-gen

The Wii U is a special case. It was terribly marketed (people thought it was a Wii add-on) and the hardware isn't that great. They focused too much on the gamepad when they should have just made a standard, powerful console this time. Hopefully the NX will have hardware as good as the Xbox 1.5 and PS4.5. It's their last shot at a console.

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be an essay

This post reminds me how Nintendo doesn't really get enough credit. They are seen as a joke to some people when they made some very powerful hardware they just fumbled on the media platform.

Gamecube blew the PS2 out of the water in specs but yeah that headstart and buffet of amazing titles on PS2 killed it.

I'll give you the Mario games. I was hoping for a game more like Sunshine or Galaxy. 3D Land was good for a handheld but World should have been on the 3DS and a normal 3D Mario game should have been released on the Wii U instead. The NSMB series, however, is basically a continuation of the original 2D games. I do think they could keep these to the handheld as well, though.

I don't know what's going on with Zelda, but at this point I don't consider it a Wii U game since it will launch on both the Wii U and the NX. Wind Waker/Twilight Princess HD were both made to tide people over until Zelda U.

Smash 4 is way better than Brawl (if you said Melee I would probably agree with you), and Mario Kart 8 is probably the best game on Nintendo systems. Haven't played the latest MK Arcade, but I found the first one lackluster compared to the others, and MKA2 seems about the same.

Other than that, and excluding the small games and the Mario Party games (just go back to the original style, that's what we really want!), it has a pretty good lineup.

Yeah, if Nintendo had fixed the issues with the N64 and GC and had Sony's or Microsoft's marketing machine they could have easily been the most successful consoles of their respective generations, and that's only because of the censorship issues at the time. Sony would have had a successful start with the PS1, but I think the PS2 would have ended up being a Dreamcast lite. I think the PS3 would have been the one with motion controls and would have slayed the others. PS4 would be doing as well as it is right now. Microsoft would probably be in the same position they are today. So basically if Nintendo had their **** together the market would have mostly stabilized.