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Tournament: PLΔTINUM HIT • season six
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Originally posted by Element
I do have to say that every single round/challenge has had an amazing concept behind it. I am really in love with GotSkill's ideas.
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Co-sign. I really do wonder what else he has up his sleeve.
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Just a word of warning, I'm switching it up this time. I don't even care what the challenge is, I'm going to push the boundaries. I'm still going to try to bring a radio friendly element to my song because this is Platinum HIT and I feel that it's very important as well as it being my style which I feel is also important to keep the song as me as possible, I'll just try to avoid using so much generic language.
I'm excited for this round.
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I'm stuck at a crossroads. I don't know whether to take another risk or play it safe. But I do know that I want to write something that isn't so lethargic and so-so. Excited for this round too.
I'd love to write something as beautiful as this:
Wasted opportunity. 
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Originally posted by EuphorianSea
I'm stuck at a crossroads. I don't know whether to take another risk or play it safe. But I do know that I want to write something that isn't so lethargic and so-so. Excited for this round too.
I'd love to write something as beautiful as this:
Wasted opportunity. |
I know right? But I don't think you can truly win if you don't push yourself and take a risk... We just need to make sure it's a risk that will pay off.
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I noticed that whenever I take a risk with my songs that I get better rankings (Illusions, Scarlet Bitch) rather than when I play it safe (Nothing Less).
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Originally posted by EuphorianSea
I honestly still don't get flow and what its about.  |
It's kind of like rhyme schemes. A song doesn't entirely need them, but in some cases it can elevate it.
There are different examples of a rhyme scheme, similarly to the "flow" of a song, for example
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Ain't got a care in the world, but got plenty of beer
Ain't got no money in my pocket, but I'm already here
Now, the dudes are lining up cause they hear we got swagger
But we kick em to the curb unless they look like Mick Jagger
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would be AABB, as in the first two lines rhyme, and the last two lines rhyme. This can be changed however you like, e.g. ABAB or ABBA
The "flow" of a song would be similar. Rather than rhymes, it looks at the syllables in each line. In a conventional song they would follow some kind of pattern like the rhyme scheme above, like switching a letter for a number.
So the example I posted would be 13-15-13-15. The rhyme scheme and the "flow" don't need to match, but in most cases there should be a pattern present with both of them.
That being said, songs don't completely need to follow a structure like that. You can write however you want. Pronunciation can be a problem too, because some words can be pronounced in different ways, for example the word "Warrior" can be 2 or 3 syllables.
I hope this makes sense for you 
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
I know right? But I don't think you can truly win if you don't push yourself and take a risk... We just need to make sure it's a risk that will pay off.
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Hmmm yeah the difficult part is not pushing yourself off the cliff  I've had so many wasted opportunities tbh. Like I could've written a really great song for the It Takes Two round with my original transsexual concept that I had in mind. Oh well
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Originally posted by MattyTacos
I noticed that whenever I take a risk with my songs that I get better rankings (Illusions, Scarlet Bitch) rather than when I play it safe (Nothing Less).
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I get better rankings when I go into the song without worrying about what I didn't include and what I need to do in order to adapt my writing style to the task given, y'know? That was my downfall with writing the love song because I kept thinking too much whereas Chrysalis just flowed straight out of my mind.
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
It's kind of like rhyme schemes. A song doesn't entirely need them, but in some cases it can elevate it.
There are different examples of a rhyme scheme, similarly to the "flow" of a song, for example
would be AABB, as in the first two lines rhyme, and the last two lines rhyme. This can be changed however you like, e.g. ABAB or ABBA
The "flow" of a song would be similar. Rather than rhymes, it looks at the syllables in each line. In a conventional song they would follow some kind of pattern like the rhyme scheme above, like switching a letter for a number.
So the example I posted would be 13-15-13-15. The rhyme scheme and the "flow" don't need to match, but in most cases there should be a pattern present with both of them.
That being said, songs don't completely need to follow a structure like that. You can write however you want. Pronunciation can be a problem too, because some words can be pronounced in different ways, for example the word "Warrior" can be 2 or 3 syllables.
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It kinda does, but I just... Thanks for helping anyways! 
Gonna listen to some Bjork for inspiration.
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And make sure the syllables fit with the flow. For example, Unconditionally doesn't at all and that's why it flopped.
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Bjork might not be the best person for inspiration if you're looking to write something that fits with structure.
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Originally posted by GotSkill
And make sure the syllables fit with the flow. For example, Unconditionally doesn't at all and that's why it flopped.
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 See, I've always thought the flow was more to do with how the melody presents itself and not the amount of syllables in any given line. I'll definitely keep this in mind though.  I need to work on keeping my songs grounded which probably sums up my entire critique, from not having a clear message to having a messy flow.
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
Bjork might not be the best person for inspiration if you're looking to write something that fits with structure. |
Nnnn; definitely not. But she gives me a lot of concepts to work with since I'm running out atm  Like every week I notice that my songs are VERY similar but they're just presented in a different way. They always talk about running away from reality and worrying about being forgotten and being misunderstood.
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
Bjork might not be the best person for inspiration if you're looking to write something that fits with structure. |
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If you're looking for something that flows really well just look at hip hop. They have no melodies so they rely 100% on lyrics and rhythm.
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Originally posted by GotSkill
And make sure the syllables fit with the flow. For example, Unconditionally doesn't at all and that's why it flopped.
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Basically. Here's probably how that song came about:
Katy: omg I want to write a song called Unconditionally
Luke: no no no that will never work
Katy: I know it's so goo-... Wait bitch what?
Luke: Katy, sis, that word has way too many syllables. It'd never sound good as a hook
Katy: listen u little ****er, I didn't sell my Christian soul and most of my artistic integrity to release Bonnie McKee's unreleased discography. I'm going to write this song and ur gonna do ur ****** generic production thing and it's gonna slay the charts because I'm Katy ****ing Perry and I'm a legend. UNCLE DE SHAAAAAAW NAULLLL
Luke: ugh fine then as long as we can release Dark Horse when it flops
Katy: omg I hate that song, I thought we were selling that one to Iggy? You know what? Fine. But it's gonna slay
*it flops*
Katy: ****
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Best example of rhythm:
You
make
me
feel like I'm living a
teen
age
dream
the way you turn me on
I
can't
sleep
let's run away and
don't ever look back!
Don't ever look back!
My
heart
stops
when you look at me
just
one
touch
now Jackson I believe
this
is
real
so take a chance and
don't ever look back!
Don't ever look back!
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Poor Bjork
And alright, let me get crunk this week bitches.
Grills and everythang.
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Originally posted by EuphorianSea
See, I've always thought the flow was more to do with how the melody presents itself and not the amount of syllables in any given line. I'll definitely keep this in mind though. I need to work on keeping my songs grounded which probably sums up my entire critique, from not having a clear message to having a messy flow.
Nnnn; definitely not. But she gives me a lot of concepts to work with since I'm running out atm Like every week I notice that my songs are VERY similar but they're just presented in a different way. They always talk about running away from reality and worrying about being forgotten and being misunderstood. |
A melody would normally follow a pattern too. They go hand in hand. It's something that is just repeated.
Write two lines. The next two lines should sound similar, with structure.
You can change throughout a song, like having a different structure in verses, but if the lines don't fit together it's going to be messy. View it kinda like a puzzle, I guess, idk.
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Originally posted by feelslikeadream
Best example of rhythm:
You
make
me
feel like I'm living a
teen
age
dream
the way you turn me on
I
can't
sleep
let's run away and
don't ever look back!
Don't ever look back!
My
heart
stops
when you look at me
just
one
touch
now Jackson I believe
this
is
real
so take a chance and
don't ever look back!
Don't ever look back!
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I actually used Teenage Dream as a template for Stardust but then it ended up sounding like Break Free
Especially the pre-chorus
for EH ver climbing mount AL lyyyyym PUS as GRA VI TY defiiiies meee
I only wanna DIE aliive neever by the hands of a BRO KEN hearrrt
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
A melody would normally follow a pattern too. They go hand in hand. It's something that is just repeated.
Write two lines. The next two lines should sound similar, with structure.
You can change throughout a song, like having a different structure in verses, but if the lines don't fit together it's going to be messy. View it kinda like a puzzle, I guess, idk.
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Ngl I'm so confused  but it's starting to make sense now.
So basically, I just need to find a melody and stick with it?
But I can change it up in the chorus etc.
Sounds easy.
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Sweet love, sweet love
Trapped in your love
I've opened up, unsure I can trust
My heart and I were buried in dust
Free me, free us
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I'm guessing that verse above is a good example of a TIGHT flow
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Basically. Here's probably how that song came about:
Katy: omg I want to write a song called Unconditionally
Luke: no no no that will never work
Katy: I know it's so goo-... Wait bitch what?
Luke: Katy, sis, that word has way too many syllables. It'd never sound good as a hook
Katy: listen u little ****er, I didn't sell my Christian soul and most of my artistic integrity to release Bonnie McKee's unreleased discography. I'm going to write this song and ur gonna do ur ****** generic production thing and it's gonna slay the charts because I'm Katy ****ing Perry and I'm a legend. UNCLE DE SHAAAAAAW NAULLLL
Luke: ugh fine then as long as we can release Dark Horse when it flops
Katy: omg I hate that song, I thought we were selling that one to Iggy? You know what? Fine. But it's gonna slay
*it flops*
Katy: ****
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Danny  This entry just felt too different from you.  |
Really? I felt like I was playing it safe ahahah.
But I am SO SICK OF JUST SCRAPING BY. That's 3 rounds in a row now. I need to blow the judges away this round. Definitely not confident but all I can do it try. Goal is to make it to the top 5. Is there an x factor contestant who was in the bottom 2 for 3 rounds in a row but managed to do well? In Australia Samantha Jade was in the bottom a lot but ended up winning. Let me be her, at least making it past this round aahah.
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