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Discussion: Why is it so bad to be basic and generic?
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
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funny cause you were a Britney stan last I remembered
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Isn't Gaga's discography derivative as well? I mean, Bad romance, Judas, Poker face, Applause were basically carved from the same plate.
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Idk & idc, tbh. I just enjoy the music. If I don't like it, I won't use. If I do, then I'll use. It's as simple as that.
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And Gaga is basic? Hahahahaha! 
If Gaga was "basic" & "generic", then she wouldn't have let go off the "TFM" formula since it had worked so much in her favor and kept it going till now and would've kept snatching every weave in existence and not given your basic fave the chance to even catch her breath.
But after TFM and it's massive success...she plunged right into, BTW, a total opposite of that. A risk that caused her to lose a lot of her fans.
Hunty, that ain't what you call basic! Pfffssshhhh!
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Katy does generic pop and I still use ha way more than the so called artistry genius Gaga. The pretentious definition of generic is the worst. 
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy
Dead at you calling ARTPOP "horrible generic" when you stan for Katy Perry. People do buy bad music though hence Prism still charting.
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Katy's music really can't be that horrible if people are buying it is my point. There's a reason why no one wants truly **** music like Britney Jean or ARTPOP, despite the fact that both albums were by established artists with huge fanbases.
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It doesn't interest me to listen to something that's run-of-the-mill. Real good music is about creating an experience, whether that is to make an audio construction of a microcosm in which the album takes place or to tap into and wrench the listener's feelings, or whatever else. You really cannot make an album like this by following radio trends and writing lyrics hundreds of other artists have done before.
'Basic' works well as easy listening pop when you want to listen to mindless bops sometimes but in the grand scheme of things it's not stannable. It's like fast food, the outer appearance is clean-buffed and shiny but the material itself lacks substance.
For example Gaga delivers pop songs which are easy to listen to but I think sometimes there are quirks to her work that distinguish herself from other people. I don't think her work is amazing but she's good to satisfy my pop music id.
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Originally posted by Allie
Examples of horrible generic music: anything on Britney Jean or ARTPOP, their sales reflect this. If the music is bad, the public wont buy. Examples of good generic music: Roar. It was current & fresh yet catchy enough to distinguish itself.
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Not this silly clause again 
Sales are indicative of the position in which the artist is right now and the extent to which they deliver to the GP. It no way correlates with quality, otherwise there would be hundreds of obscure albums decimating Katy's career into the ground right now 
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Originally posted by G.U.Y
Where is exactly the " creativity" in Katy ? 
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She's the person behind the entire image of the TD era
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy
Dead at you calling ARTPOP "horrible generic" when you stan for Katy Perry. People do buy bad music though hence Prism still charting.
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Kiiiii
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Originally posted by Thor
It's bad because it seems like the easy way out.
It's like taking a shorter, less complicated route to success. You know, like following a formula that already works and using it all the time, instead taking risks or chances.
I mean, obviously artist who are going to be prone to taking more risks and not following a set "formula" will be more respected in the long run.
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I guess the same was as many Gaga single have been carved out of Just Dance/Poker face. Outside of dance music, is Gaga known for doing any other type of music?
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Originally posted by Thor
And Gaga is basic? Hahahahaha!
If Gaga was "basic" & "generic", then she wouldn't have let go off the "TFM" formula since it had worked so much in her favor and kept it going till now and would've kept snatching every weave in existence and not given your basic fave the chance to even catch her breath.
But after TFM and it's massive success...she plunged right into, BTW, a total opposite of that. A risk that caused her to lose a lot of her fans.
Hunty, that ain't what you call basic! Pfffssshhhh! |
BTW was only a little bit of a risk and ARTPOP is a very safe album
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Originally posted by Thor
And Gaga is basic? Hahahahaha!
If Gaga was "basic" & "generic", then she wouldn't have let go off the "TFM" formula since it had worked so much in her favor and kept it going till now and would've kept snatching every weave in existence and not given your basic fave the chance to even catch her breath.
But after TFM and it's massive success...she plunged right into, BTW, a total opposite of that. A risk that caused her to lose a lot of her fans.
Hunty, that ain't what you call basic! Pfffssshhhh! |
Btw tried SO hard to be TFM but failed because of: overproduced songs that sound like literally bleep bloop noise sometimes, horrendous lyrics my god, and a horrible horrible image.
It's weird how she just fell off.
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Nothing wrong with being basic but I don't stan for mediocrity. Katy is too bland for my taste but she has some cute songs. I prefer people who innovate, polarize, shock, and go against the norm with their music and performances which is why I love Gaga, Bjork, and Courtney Love.
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
BTW was only a little bit of a risk and ARTPOP is a very safe album
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A lil bit of a risk?
BTW, an album totally devoted to gay rights & self acceptance. She lost majority of her straight fans. She took that risk in her 3rd album, so early in her career.
If she wanted, she could've made another TFM and slayed even harder. But she took a risk and went the complete opposite way. That's NOT basic or generic. She alienated so many of her listeners by making BTW.
With Katy, she kept the momentum from TD going by creating another TD (Prism) not saying that that's wrong....cuz everyone wants success and if something works then keep it going. But it's not going to be considered "commendable" at all. And that is why a lot of people call her music "basic" & "generic".
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Originally posted by Thor
And Gaga is basic? Hahahahaha!
If Gaga was "basic" & "generic", then she wouldn't have let go off the "TFM" formula since it had worked so much in her favor and kept it going till now and would've kept snatching every weave in existence and not given your basic fave the chance to even catch her breath.
But after TFM and it's massive success...she plunged right into, BTW, a total opposite of that. A risk that caused her to lose a lot of her fans.
Hunty, that ain't what you call basic! Pfffssshhhh! |
The concept of BTW was essentially TFM + some twisted imagery. Pretty sure Gaga expected Judas, being the sister of Bad romance, was gonna take off. The music did not turn off fans, but it was the gross imagery and the sudden inflation in her ego that distanced her from her casual listeners.
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Originally posted by Donquizote
Depends on one's taste. For me Gaga isn't innovative and Katy is a creative artist. But others might think opposite
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
She's the person behind the entire image of the TD era |
you mean the 'image' that has been created by capitol?
Okay 
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Originally posted by bluth
It doesn't interest me to listen to something that's run-of-the-mill. Real good music is about creating an experience, whether that is to make an audio construction of a microcosm in which the album takes place or to tap into and wrench the listener's feelings, or whatever else. You really cannot make an album like this by following radio trends and writing lyrics hundreds of other artists have done before.
'Basic' works well as easy listening pop when you want to listen to mindless bops sometimes but in the grand scheme of things it's not stannable. It's like fast food, the outer appearance is clean-buffed and shiny but the material itself lacks substance.
For example Gaga delivers pop songs which are easy to listen to but I think sometimes there are quirks to her work that distinguish herself from other people. I don't think her work is amazing but she's good to satisfy my pop music id.
Not this silly clause again
Sales are indicative of the position in which the artist is right now and the extent to which they deliver to the GP. It no way correlates with quality, otherwise there would be hundreds of obscure albums decimating Katy's career into the ground right now |
So true. What an excellent post. The bolded part is exactly what Katy Perry and many other artists do, and I don't find that creative at all.
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Originally posted by Lil Misty
Btw tried SO hard to be TFM but failed because of: overproduced songs that sound like literally bleep bloop noise sometimes, horrendous lyrics my god, and a horrible horrible image.
It's weird how she just fell off.
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BTW was the polar opposite of TFM. If she wanted the TFM 2.0 she could have called up RedOne, Space Cowboy, and Rodney Jerkins to produce the whole album but she didn't. It ultimately backfired on her because she didn't play it safe with her image or the album.
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