Tyranitar is a pseudo legendary, so

Florges's moveset isn't that bad. Atleast it can handle poison types with Psychic and its amazing Sp. Attack. Sadly it doesn't have an amazing ability

Sylveon is only superior in HP every other stat is outclassed by Florges.
But both have no great Phsysical bulk

And why do they need Shadow Ball Ghost types don't resist Fairy type attacks and they have both Psychic type attacks for Gengar

So what? Gen 6 doesn't have a Fairy that comes close to what he was in Gen 2 - or is now, except you know, Xerneas. The new Fairies are all trash except for some the retyped ones, which is a shame tbh. So much hype for nothing.

I didn't say they have ~great~ physical bulk, I said Sylveon's is superior, and this isn't arguable. The Fairy type is supposed to tank physical hits, hence their resists, ergo Sylveon outclasses Florges completely.

And unless you want to be walled by every Steel type in existence, you'd go with Shadow Ball for coverage instead of Psychic. (I think HP Ground is a better coverage option either way though)

Which gen 2 dark or steel Pokemon that wasn't Tyranitar was that great?

But those aren't their roles. Both are special Walls, neither of them can take physical moves. And Florges is better in what she supposed to do than Sylveon.

Rock Head Tyrantrum needs to be released already so I can destroy y'all with Rock Polish + Head Smash.

Skarmory and Scizor (admittedly not so great in that Gen). And Dark had Tyranitar, the point still stands.

I feel like GF counted the Megas as new Pokemon and by that Mawile is great and MAYBE can be compared to Tyranitar's Gen 2 status, and even then idk. Still a disappointment nonetheless.

Well you basically said it yourself.

This gen has Mawile (who is also a Despotar counter ironically )

Scizor wasn't great inGEn 2 since it didn't have Bullet Punch nor CB.
Togekiss is definitely great and you underestimate Florges and Sylveon.

EDIT: and we are all forgetting Azumarill who is basically already in Ou and Clefable who can be seen in UU and maybe in OU

Florges can't, but Sylveon can. Sylveon is better no matter how you look at it. Skarmory is a Physical wall, does it mean he can't take Special hits? He even has a Special Tank set extremely viable to use. Same with Hippowdon.

No one will use Florges or Sylveon if they are looking for a Special wall, Blissey exists you know.

Fact is there are WAY more physical orientated Dragon, Bug, Fight and Dark moves running around and they wouldn't function properly if you made them Special tanks.

Sylveon is better than Florges.

Florges has better physical bulk than Skarmory has special bulk
Blissey will never be in the same tier as Florges or Sylveon so that argument is invalid

And neither Florges nor Sylveon can take an attack of any higher tier Physical Bug, Fighting or Dragon type

! Can we just end the war and agree on this?

Not really, lol. I think Sylveon is great, and I'd say it can function in OU, not sure if it's guaranteed to reside in that tier though.

And Mawile is great, but it takes up a Mega slot, and is very frail pre-Mega, idk if it's very reliable. Tyranitar remains superior. Azumarril and Togekiss aren't from Gen 6 so they don't count.

WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS. Why did GameFreak hype Fairy-type Pokemon to be this game balance, that would stop the OP Dragon-types, bring a rise to Poison-types (which I can kind of see them doing).

BUT BUT BUT. When we were all expecting a Fairy-pseudo, they give us ANOTHER Dragon-type one, WHO HAPPENS to have monstrous Sp.Def, a great move-pool AND ability. Not to mention like all Fairy-type Pokemon are special attackers besides Mawhile and Azumarill.

And besidse the Goddess of Pokemon and the Universe, Fairy Queen Togekissus , the princess Gardevoir, and the pauper Mega Mawhile, they were mostly given limited Move-Pools.

Like, I just don't understand

And Sylveon has better Physical Bulk than Florges, hence why she's superior. And are you basically saying Sylveon/Florges won't be OU then?

You'd be surprised, Sylveon has more potential because she has better bulk. Idk what you don't understand? Florges has better Sp. bulk but that is irrelevant since the difference is not that much and Sylveon can take physical hits better than Florges, hence why she is unarguably better.

The only thing Florges REALLY has over Sylveon is Speed. That's it.

To keep those Pseudo-Legendaries balanced they also makes sure that a big part of those stat points would be spread over both Attack and Sp. Attack, even though 1 of them is often not even used.
Togekiss has only 50 Attack, giving it way more base stat points that are actually useful.

If it's 55 stat points to get it to 600 base stat points, then 40-ish of them would have been put in Attack. Meaning it's really only about 15 useful stat points away from pseudo-legendary. It's already flawless

Is the new move Freeze Dry super effective against water types in addition to types that ice is usually supereffectivr to? Or just water?