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ATRL: Is Suicide The Answer?
Member Since: 3/4/2011
Posts: 1,638
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Originally posted by Kats
Don't take matters of my opinion. We agree that these people need help, but for people to say that they are weak, selfish, and cowardly is sick. Do you think that encourages them to seek help? That is my problem with you. Because I have been there before, and comments like yours further pushed me away from getting help.
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Understanding breeds acceptance. Suicide is not something that should be accepted. It's as simple as that.
I'm sorry you had to experience something like that but someone was there to knock some sense into you and make you see how stupid a decision it is. The wishy-washy "love breeds love" approach is not appropriate for every problem. You need a serious reaction to convey the seriousness of the situation and sometimes it takes harsh words like that to get through.
Nevertheless, just because it's not politically correct to say they're cowardly, weak and selfish doesn't make it untrue.
You're letting yourself be dragged down by the words of others --> Weak
You don't attempt to face the problem head on, but rather escape it altogether --> Cowardly
You pay no mind to the effect YOUR decision will have on OTHER people --> Selfish
You can justify the situation as much as you want, the above will not change.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
Posts: 20,627
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Originally posted by Patri
Understanding breeds acceptance. Suicide is not something that should be accepted. It's as simple as that.
I'm sorry you had to experience something like that but someone was there to knock some sense into you and make you see how stupid a decision it is. The wishy-washy "love breeds love" approach is not appropriate for every problem. You need a serious reaction to convey the seriousness of the situation and sometimes it takes harsh words like that to get through.
Nevertheless, just because it's not politically correct to say they're cowardly, weak and selfish doesn't make it untrue.
You're letting yourself be dragged down by the words of others --> Weak
You don't attempt to face the problem head on, but rather escape it altogether --> Cowardly
You pay no mind to the effect YOUR decision will have on OTHER people --> Selfish
You can justify the situation as much as you want, the above will not change.
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I never said it should be accepted. Never. I did say, however, that people coming in here trying to say they are weak, is wrong. I don't care what you say about them being weak, cowardly, and selfish it is wrong. You only put them down further. That is common sense. Politically correct, you make it out that all of this is black and white, when it isn't. This is people's emotions and feelings, not right or wrong, fact or false.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
Posts: 1,638
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Originally posted by Kats
I never said it should be accepted. Never. I did say, however, that people coming in here trying to say they are weak, is wrong. I don't care what you say about them being weak, cowardly, and selfish it is wrong. You only put them down further. That is common sense. Politically correct, you make it out that all of this is black and white, when it isn't. This is people's emotions and feelings, not right or wrong, fact or false.
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Again, the intention is the exact opposite of making the behaviour accepted, but the way the issue is dealt with makes it so. My stance is harsh, yes, but its very realistic. Call people on their **** and they have to take accountability for it, they have no other choice. There's no sugarcoating death.
We'll have to agree to disagree but for me this is very cut and dry, there is no grey area.
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
Posts: 30,284
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Originally posted by Patri
But are 14 year-olds taking their lives because bullying has gotten worse or because society has become hyper-sensitive to everything? The issue is not stupid but people's reactions and stances on it are (eg. Kats)
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I don't believe society has become hyper-sensitive to anything. We have the World Wide Internet where anyone can basically say anything about you, at any given time. People know one can't escape bullying, but there is a fine line between bullying and torturing someone, which I believe happens very frequently, currently. My problem with the suicide rate is that people are making it seem as if the issues the suicide victims are dealing with are miniscule, when in fact the problems their dealing with are bigger than that.
*Now reads Kats stance on this topic*
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Member Since: 3/15/2010
Posts: 2,041
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Originally posted by Hooligan
I don't believe society has become hyper-sensitive to anything. We have the World Wide Internet where anyone can basically say anything about you, at any given time. People know one can't escape bullying, but there is a fine line between bullying and torturing someone, which I believe happens very frequently, currently. My problem with the suicide rate is that people are making it seem as if the issues the suicide victims are dealing with are miniscule, when in fact the problems their dealing with are bigger than that.
*Now reads Kats stance on this topic*
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There is escaping bullying.., stop going to their profile and reading ****, if you know someone is going to talk **** about.. STOP READING THEIR POSTS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE...
and really... Words =/= torture, thats just retarded... Now dont go do anything stupid cuz I said Thats retarded...
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Originally posted by Patri
Understanding breeds acceptance. Suicide is not something that should be accepted. It's as simple as that.
I'm sorry you had to experience something like that but someone was there to knock some sense into you and make you see how stupid a decision it is. The wishy-washy "love breeds love" approach is not appropriate for every problem. You need a serious reaction to convey the seriousness of the situation and sometimes it takes harsh words like that to get through.
Nevertheless, just because it's not politically correct to say they're cowardly, weak and selfish doesn't make it untrue.
You're letting yourself be dragged down by the words of others --> Weak
You don't attempt to face the problem head on, but rather escape it altogether --> Cowardly
You pay no mind to the effect YOUR decision will have on OTHER people --> Selfish
You can justify the situation as much as you want, the above will not change.
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This is AMAZING AND VERY MUCH TRUE
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Originally posted by Patri
Again, the intention is the exact opposite of making the behaviour accepted, but the way the issue is dealt with makes it so. My stance is harsh, yes, but its very realistic. Call people on their **** and they have to take accountability for it, they have no other choice. There's no sugarcoating death.
We'll have to agree to disagree but for me this is very cut and dry, there is no grey area.
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they're just trying to justify peoples cowardice..l as you and I already know..
Suicide really comes frOm the need of general acceptance..
Both you and I patri ive noticedndont need people's approval thats why we can take a stance against something that IS very much Black and WHITE, either you do it or you dont... Where peole who are trying to justify it are more lkely to do it.. Because its more accepted to be politically correct, why do you think they call me tremendo, because i am so far from politically correct... I am an individual, i dont go with common fads...
l giving them, and I wont call them victims, cuz thats what they do, victimise themselves, oh they called me this and they called me that, puhleeze...really.. I can care less what people say about me.. OOoOoooooOoo you dont lke? Ahnhhh want to fetch me a napkin?
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
Posts: 33,622
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Originally posted by TREMendo
There is escaping bullying.., stop going to their profile and reading ****, if you know someone is going to talk **** about.. STOP READING THEIR POSTS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE...
and really... Words =/= torture, thats just retarded... Now dont go do anything stupid cuz I said Thats retarded...
This is AMAZING AND VERY MUCH TRUE
they're just trying to justify peoples cowardice..l as you and I already know..
Suicide really comes frOm the need of general acceptance..
Both you and I patri ive noticedndont need people's approval thats why we can take a stance against something that IS very much Black and WHITE, either you do it or you dont... Where peole who are trying to justify it are more lkely to do it.. Because its more accepted to be politically correct, why do you think they call me tremendo, because i am so far from politically correct... I am an individual, i dont go with common fads...
l giving them, and I wont call them victims, cuz thats what they do, victimise themselves, oh they called me this and they called me that, puhleeze...really.. I can care less what people say about me.. OOoOoooooOoo you dont lke? Ahnhhh want to fetch me a napkin?
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You really don't need to be this rude, and ignornant.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/8/2008
Posts: 21,933
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Originally posted by TREMendo
There is escaping bullying.., stop going to their profile and reading ****, if you know someone is going to talk **** about.. STOP READING THEIR POSTS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE...
and really... Words =/= torture, thats just retarded... Now dont go do anything stupid cuz I said Thats retarded...
This is AMAZING AND VERY MUCH TRUE
they're just trying to justify peoples cowardice..l as you and I already know..
Suicide really comes frOm the need of general acceptance..
Both you and I patri ive noticedndont need people's approval thats why we can take a stance against something that IS very much Black and WHITE, either you do it or you dont... Where peole who are trying to justify it are more lkely to do it.. Because its more accepted to be politically correct, why do you think they call me tremendo, because i am so far from politically correct... I am an individual, i dont go with common fads...
l giving them, and I wont call them victims, cuz thats what they do, victimise themselves, oh they called me this and they called me that, puhleeze...really.. I can care less what people say about me.. OOoOoooooOoo you dont lke? Ahnhhh want to fetch me a napkin?
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Alright hunny. We are weak and foolish people for having thoughts of suicide. You are better and stronger than us. We get it, calm down.... No need to be rude and hostile.
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Member Since: 3/15/2010
Posts: 2,041
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ABC FAMILY released a movie called
"CYBERBULLY"
readily available on NETFLIX, I recommend it
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