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ATRL: Is Suicide The Answer?
Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by Hooligan
You say this like it's that easy. What if people don't have the resources to just up and leave? What if they're forced to stay in a situation that isn't helping their depression?
Depression is a real disease and it's not as easy as making new friends or moving away to help fix that.
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Depression is much more often than not, a state of mind. The APA is funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies who lobby them to re-define certain diseases (or emotional states) so that they can prescribe drugs.
For example, last I heard they were trying to lobby the APA to bring the standard mourning period down from 6 months to 1 month before being considered 'clinical depression'.
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Member Since: 3/15/2010
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Originally posted by RAWR!
You do get to come at me with this, assuming that I haven't had such experiences & accusing me of being the cause. I have in fact, been suicidal. You don't know experiences I've had in life. I understand it. I get it. But after having been in a place of such unhappiness & now, being able to find peace, I CHOOSE to believe that there IS help, there IS a way out & it IS possible to overcome.
Pardon me for having a POSITIVE attitude. If you want to feel like a hopeless, no-good, weak individual you're whole life, then fine by me - but I'm one of those people who chooses to focus on the beautiful aspects of life, rather than the bad. If you CONVINCE yourself there's no hope, then there isn't for you. But if you CHOOSE to live another day. If you CHOOSE to fight & strive through your troubles, no matter how hard or impossible they may seem - then THAT will be your first step to bettering your life & building your bridge towards a place of happiness.
DO NOT come at me with these ******** accusations, how dare you tbh. You're low. It's people like YOU & posts like YOURS who feed the negativity & convince people that suicide is an option or the right way out. No. It NEVER is.
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Muuuuuuah
Thank younso very much
They look at us as the negative ones where we're the ones that are like it aint worth taking your life over.. Theyre the ones that say its ok to kill yourself if youre going thru a hard time...
Lmfao this thing is so backwards, we're condmened for believing that everything gets better and under NO circumstance is suicide an option....
Everybody goes thru their share of hardships
I, have been homelss, shun by my family because of my sexuality, bullied countless times not nly because of one thing but because of many, I have been stuck in another country really by myself with no way out... Felt extremely trapped.. All these lil excuses that people to cop out of life ive pretty much been there done that... But im good now, even when i thought then, there was no way out!
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by TREMendo
Muuuuuuah
Thank younso very much
They look at us as the negative ones where we're the ones that are like it aint worth taking your life over.. Theyre the ones that say its ok to kill yourself if youre going thru a hard time...
Lmfao this thing is so backwards, we're condmened for believing that everything gets better and under NO circumstance is suicide an option....
Everybody goes thru their share of hardships
I, have been homelss, shun by my family because of my sexuality, bullied countless times not nly because of one thing but because of many, I have been stuck in another country really by myself with no way out... Felt extremely trapped.. All these lil excuses that people to cop out of life ive pretty much been there done that... But im good now, even when i thought then, there was no way out!
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Member Since: 5/15/2010
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Originally posted by Patri
Depression is much more often than not, a state of mind. The APA is funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies who lobby them to re-define certain diseases (or emotional states) so that they can prescribe drugs.
For example, last I heard they were trying to lobby the APA to bring the standard mourning period down from 6 months to 1 month before being considered 'clinical depression'.
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Ofcourse, those pharmaceutical companies would want that to tryna make some money out of these folks.... 
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Like Tupac said "No matter how long is the night, the day will come up". It always get better, people think it is just a catch phrase but it is true, it does get better.
Also some people expect too much from life, I know I am happy for the simplest things. Seeing the same random person twice a day, somebody I don't know replying to my hello and giving me a smile. The certainty that my mother and my brothers are alive somewhere. That's A LOT for me and it should be for everybody.
And people should think about the ones they might left behind, their pain and the fact that they might be ruining not only their lives but the lives of some who deeply care for them. It's not worth it.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by brIt-()nstar
Ofcourse, those pharmaceutical companies would want that to tryna make some money out of these folks.... |
It raises a lot of questions about the presence of private entities in things like healthcare or social welfare.
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Member Since: 5/2/2009
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The purpose in life is to be happy. If you're unhappy and you genuinely can't see that changing for the better, then I understand that to some people it seems like the only way to end suffering.
I don't think it's the best way though. So many people end their lives before they've even tried reaching out to someone or letting out a cry for help. Anyone going through life in misery needs to give other people more credit, and let them prove that they can and will help in any way they can.
Also I think suicide has been 'romanticized' to a large degree over the years, especially among younger people, and that needs to be stopped right now. It's not glamorous, it's just a plain tragedy that could have been prevented.
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Member Since: 4/22/2011
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suicide is NEVER the answer. there is a way out of every personal problem you will ever face, it may be hard to see the light. but it always gets better no matter how dire and pathetic your situation seems at the time.
however saying that, i can understand why some people do it. they are bullied (or abused physically, sexually etc) to a point where they feel worthless and they may as well be dead, because they would be free of pain and safe from torment  i don't think it's anyone's place to say that they are pathetic because there are worse problems in the world. humans are complex, we need much more than just physical necessities. we need self worth, love and a sense of belonging, these emotions are what separates us from animals. and the reasons may seem dumb to an outsider but unless you've ever been at that low point you can't judge others in that situation that did end up killing themselves. it is extremely tragic that they chose to do that but we need to respect the memories of those people- not call them pathetic because they weren't tough enough to just "deal with it"
and there is always a way out. there are therapists and counsellors to speak to and work through your issues. it may seem so hard to get past that low point but just because suicide is the easier option does not mean it is the one to choose. stay strong!!
you can find love in a hopeless place 
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by Patri
Depression is much more often than not, a state of mind. The APA is funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies who lobby them to re-define certain diseases (or emotional states) so that they can prescribe drugs.
For example, last I heard they were trying to lobby the APA to bring the standard mourning period down from 6 months to 1 month before being considered 'clinical depression'.
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That's debatable. Not saying that most of the time depression isn't just a state of mind, but it really depends on the person. For example -- and though it's an over-used one -- the Jamey suicide. The kid was only 14 years old, but was bullied ever since he was a young age. That said, his depression could've just been a "state of mind", but because of the longevity and intensity of the bullying, it could've eventually manifested itself into the disorder, clinical depression.
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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No. I think it is really stupid to kill yourself, but then again I have no idea what happens in the lives of the kids that kill themselves. My life is decent, so I wouldn't know.
I think it would be better not to because you are missing out on life. There are many new experiences and opportunities that you will get to miss out on when you get older. That's just me though.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by Hooligan
That's debatable. Not saying that most of the time depression isn't just a state of mind, but it really depends on the person. For example -- and though it's an over-used one -- the Jamey suicide. The kid was only 14 years old, but was bullied ever since he was a young age. That said, his depression could've just been a "state of mind", but because of the longevity and intensity of the bullying, it could've eventually manifested itself into the disorder, clinical depression.
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What I'm saying is that's it's not wise - or accurate - to consider all depression a clinical one. We hear the term bounced around so often that we take it as a given, but in reality the cases of clinical depression could be much more rare than we think. But nevertheless we medicate without thinking, but that's a seperate issue. Basically, what I'm saying is that correlation does not mean causality.
In the case of Jamey, you said it yourself, he was only 14. What do you know about life at 14? You're not even old enough to know what you want to do with your life, let alone old enough to understand the repercussions of ending it. And I'm sorry, but in his case, his parents should be held majorly accountable... but I digress.
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by Patri
What I'm saying is that's it's not wise - or accurate - to consider all depression a clinical one. We hear the term bounced around so often that we take it as a given, but in reality the cases of clinical depression could be much more rare than we think. But nevertheless we medicate without thinking, but that's a seperate issue. Basically, what I'm saying is that correlation does not mean causality.
In the case of Jamey, you said it yourself, he was only 14. What do you know about life at 14? You're not even old enough to know what you want to do with your life, let alone old enough to understand the repercussions of ending it. And I'm sorry, but in his case, his parents should be held majorly accountable... but I digress.
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The point I'm making about Jamey is that him being only 14 should convey the message that depression and suicide are real. Bullying, now, isn't your run of the mill "4 eyes" jokes anymore, it's gotten much worse. So bad to where not even fully developed teenagers are taking their lives. Again, not saying suicide is the answer, I'm simply implying that it shouldn't be taken lightly or thrown under the rug like the problem they're dealing with can be fixed overnight. And it most certainly should not be chucked up as "stupid", as I see some of the previous comments have said as such.
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Member Since: 2/17/2010
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When you kill yourself to get the feeling of you relief, you actually die, you don't feel anything, so you won't feel relief. You'll just make it hard for those who care about you to cope with your deaths.
If you really want to disconnect from the world, then just go sleep. It almost feels like dying, only that at the end you wake up.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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If you've never been in a place where you would consider suicide, just count yourself lucky that you either have never been in a terrible situation or were mentally resilient enough to handle it, not because you're better than those who aren't.
I can't at some people in here acting like they're experts on the subject when they know nothing. You may not understand it, but it's not as plain and simple as you think it is. Just shut up if you have nothing intelligent to say on the matter.
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Member Since: 3/15/2010
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Originally posted by Яeo.
When you kill yourself to get the feeling of you relief, you actually die, you don't feel anything, so you won't feel relief. You'll just make it hard for those who care about you to cope with your deaths.
If you really want to disconnect from the world, then just go sleep. It almost feels like dying, only that at the end you wake up.
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Whatever pain you were feelingngoes to everyone around you... Smh
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by Hooligan
The point I'm making about Jamey is that him being only 14 should convey the message that depression and suicide are real. Bullying, now, isn't your run of the mill "4 eyes" jokes anymore, it's gotten much worse. So bad to where not even fully developed teenagers are taking their lives. Again, not saying suicide is the answer, I'm simply implying that it shouldn't be taken lightly or thrown under the rug like the problem they're dealing with can be fixed overnight. And it most certainly should not be chucked up as "stupid", as I see some of the previous comments have said as such.
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But are 14 year-olds taking their lives because bullying has gotten worse or because society has become hyper-sensitive to everything? The issue is not stupid but people's reactions and stances on it are (eg. Kats)
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Member Since: 9/28/2009
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Suicide isn't an "answer" - that implies you've somehow confronted the problem. You haven't.
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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Originally posted by Яeo.
When you kill yourself to get the feeling of you relief, you actually die, you don't feel anything, so you won't feel relief. You'll just make it hard for those who care about you to cope with your deaths.
If you really want to disconnect from the world, then just go sleep. It almost feels like dying, only that at the end you wake up.
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I love this.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by Patri
But are 14 year-olds taking their lives because bullying has gotten worse or because society has become hyper-sensitive to everything? The issue is not stupid but people's reactions and stances on it are (eg. Kats)
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Don't take matters of my opinion. We agree that these people need help, but for people to say that they are weak, selfish, and cowardly is sick. Do you think that encourages them to seek help? That is my problem with you. Because I have been there before, and comments like yours further pushed me away from getting help.
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Member Since: 2/9/2008
Posts: 32,819
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Originally posted by Wildhope
Yes it is
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Stop.
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