[Salacious]

Originally posted by swissman

But.. Jack White produced Don't Hurt Yourself ... how would he be surprised at the final result? He said she made it what it was, so she did.

I made a general statement. I didn't focus on one song, and I don't believe I ever said that every song in her catalog is only a result of large teams of writers, sound engineers, and producers.

[swissman]

Originally posted by *.Digambar.*

oh dear lord. when she receives a song and changes them, she is editing the song!

Okay but your argument relies on the idea that Beyoncé says she wrote Smash into You fully.

[Superpower]

Originally posted by chilicheese01

Let's put it this way: she won't be remembered for being a talented songwriter!

Is this supposed to be a drag? Try again
At least she will be remembered. The same can't be said about others.

[Mani.]

Originally posted by swissman

This is a girl that even Prince was surprised to find out how much she knew about music.
She has been doing music since she was a kid. And not just for fun, like full summer boot camps.
She's worked with writers since she was a child.
She's worked with writers for the great majority of her life.

How are people just assuming that she has no writing ability whatsoever, point blank?

Where are all these collaborators coming for her? She's had MANY collaborators, all we have is one producer saying in non-specific way that if someone like Beyoncé wants a credit she should get it. Aside from that all we have are people praising her contributions.

Why does her songwriting bother you so much?

This is what I don't get. Why does everyone act like writing music is this intricate thing that people struggle to do? Someone with industry experience of 20 years can't write a song? She literally has probably recorded 20,000 different songs in her lifetime. That alone would be enough experience for anyone to write on their own.

[Superpower]

Originally posted by Salacious

I made a general statement. I didn't focus on one song, and I don't believe I ever said that every song in her catalog is only a result of large teams of writers, sound engineers, and producers.

You are contracting yourself. So you're not focusing on one song but you are using one other song to make a general statement?

[swissman]

Originally posted by Salacious

I made a general statement. I didn't focus on one song, and I don't believe I ever said that every song in her catalog is only a result of large teams of writers, sound engineers, and producers.

I don't believe I said that you said that either.

[chilicheese01]

Some artists/bands can say they've written and produced their entire album without any outside help. Not everyone has that!

[*.Digambar.*]

Originally posted by Mani.

Or.. She could have simply "stolen" or "bought" her writing credits, just as you accuse Beyonce of doing so. Point is... You don't really know because your ass WASN'T there. None of us truly know what is going on from behind the scenes.

too bad for you but Taylor has songs she wrote when she was young too. the proof is all there! just because ppl might steal credits doesn't mean she does. if she did, you think ppl would sit quietly and not say a word about it? there's a reason why when she speaks about her music, she knows exactly how it began.

[Salacious]

Originally posted by swissman

How are people just assuming that she has no writing ability whatsoever, point blank?

Why are you asking a question you already know the answer to? Most people who make these claims do so because they think she's really dumb.

[Mani.]

Originally posted by chilicheese01

Let's put it this way: she won't be remembered for being a talented songwriter!

Well... If you sign up to be a singer and your songwriting skills is the only memorable thing about you, maybe you have other issues to worry about.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Salacious

Why are you asking a question you already know the answer to? Most people who make these claims do so because they think she's really dumb.

It's a rhetorical question.

[Mani.]

Originally posted by *.Digambar.*

too bad for you but Taylor has songs she wrote when she was young too. the proof is all there! just because ppl might steal credits doesn't mean she does. if she did, you think ppl would sit quietly and not say a word about it? there's a reason why when she speaks about her music, she knows exactly how it began.

So... Has... Beyonce... And the rest of america..

[*.Digambar.*]

Originally posted by Mani.

Well... If you sign up to be a singer and your songwriting skills is the only memorable thing about you, maybe you have other issues to worry about.

not when Taylor can live off being a songwriter and selling her some off which she did with better man. I see no issue.

[Temporal]

Some of y'all care way too much about this ****.

[Mani.]

Originally posted by *.Digambar.*

not when Taylor can live off being a songwriter and selling her some off which she did with better man. I see no issue.

So we're confirming she isn't a good singer?

[Salacious]

Originally posted by swissman

I don't believe I said that you said that either.

Then I'm not sure why you went straight to the song you did when all my statements have been general.

Originally posted by Superpower

You are contracting yourself. So you're not focusing on one song but you are using one other song to make a general statement?

No? What do you mean by contracting? I'm focusing on her body of work, but I'm not saying that her involvement in every single song is changing a word or two.

[Superpower]

So we went from:
1. Beyoncé steals credits

to

2. Bwhahaha 78 writers!!11!!

to

3. But she only wrote 40% of the album

What's next?

[Salacious]

Originally posted by swissman

It's a rhetorical question.

Then don't go on a whole spiel, lol.

[*.Digambar.*]

Originally posted by Mani.

So we're confirming she isn't a good singer?

we're confirming Beyonce is a dodgy 'songwriter' at best?

[swissman]

Originally posted by Salacious

Then I'm not sure why you went straight to the song you did when all my statements have been general.

I did so because you quoted a short comment that named DHY as one of two examples, and so mentioning one of them related to the point. It wasn't clear to me you just meant generally, sorry for misunderstanding.

Still, Beyoncé can have as little involvement in some songs as possible, but we still have lots of accounts of her important involvement in others.