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Discussion: Was Janet Jackson Local?
Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Janet is well known in Central Europe, my mom knew her songs also during communist regime in my country, when the government censored everything, including music. She has the same status like Mariah or Whitney here.
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Originally posted by Monroe
The numbers may be wrong, but the list in large isn't. Those are the best selling female artists, in that order. Mariah has sold more then Celine because Mariah's singles give her the edge in terms of overall records sold. Celine hasn't sold as much singles as Mariah has, although it may be close Mariah has the advantage there because her singles were bigger. Both Britney and Janet are under reported due to their record labels but they have sold around the figures given. I am not sure about the sales for those after that but I have seen chart watchers estimate those numbers, so they are definitely out there.
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Celine has two 30+ million selling albums. Her biggest single is bigger then all of Mariahs but quite a large margin. And she outsold her last decade. She has been reported by more sources then Mariah as of lately. I'm not even going to comment on Britney and Janet anymore, Because as you said, Both are under reported.
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Member Since: 12/16/2011
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I don't see how y'all can say that you can't name more than 1 or 2 of her songs.  Control? Nasty? Rhythm Nation?!?! 
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Janet album sales plus her music club sales is over 35 million.
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Member Since: 7/21/2009
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Maybe some people on her don't know her because they are like 14 years old?
I am 26 and I can tell that in Germany she was a force during the 90s and ealry 00s:
She had hits, good album sales, she was a star - when she was on a german TV Show that got a lot of publicity.
It all turned with Damita Jo, just like in the US. But before that she was a big star.
"Janet" sold 20 million ww, TVR 10 million, AFY 7 million and mostly more than half of that came from outside the US.
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Originally posted by STMG23
Maybe some people on her don't know her because they are like 14 years old?
I am 26 and I can tell that in Germany she was a force during the 90s and ealry 00s:
She had hits, good album sales, she was a star - when she was on a german TV Show that got a lot of publicity.
It all turned with Damita Jo, just like in the US. But before that she was a big star.
"Janet" sold 20 million ww, TVR 10 million, AFY 7 million and mostly more than half of that came from outside the US.
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Finally! someone from Europe that has done a little resarch and has some sense *hugs*
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Member Since: 4/8/2012
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No 
Granted, she's not a world force like big brother but Ms. Janet has had a substantial amount of success in and outside the states which is no small feat.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Duca
World's 10 Biggest Markets:
US: 10 #1's
Japan: No #1's
Germany: No #1's
UK: No #1's
France: No #1's
Canada: 6 #1's
Australia: No #1's
Netherlands: 1 #1
Italy: No #1's
Brazil: No #1's
She wasn't really a factor outside US/Canada.  |
The Netherlands is the 8th biggest market?
OT: Well, I wouldn't think so, but I am American. From some of the receipts people are showing it does look like she kinda is. The thing is you have to remember this was before the internet. It was a lit harder back then to break out into other markets.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
The Netherlands is the 8th biggest market?
OT: Well, I wouldn't think so, but I am American. From some of the receipts people are showing it does look like she kinda is. The thing is you have to remember this was before the internet. It was a lit harder back then to break out into other markets.
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Theres more receipts being posted in this thread that disproves it. Then the one's Duca posted, Her singles still went Top 5 in all those markets.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by tcweh
Funny how people like Duca claim Janet or Mariah are local, yet his 2 Germans and a dog disagree
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Most of them spent like three weeks in the top 10, left the top 40 without topping the 2 million mark in points, and failed to make the year-end charts.
Mariah Carey:
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Vision Of Love - 30 / 1990
Love Takes Time - 45 / 1990
Someday - 7 / 1991
I Don't Wanna Cry - 21 / 1991
Emotions - 41 / 1991
Can't Let Go - 4 / 1992
I'll Be There - 25 / 1992
Dreamlover - 34 / 1993
Hero - 48 / 1993
Without You - 7 / 1994
Anytime You Need A Friend - 30 / 1994
Endless Love - 37 / 1994
All I Want For Christmas Is You - 49 / 1994
Fantasy - 38 / 1995
One Sweet Day - 48 / 1995
Always Be My Baby - 14 / 1996
Honey - 37 / 1997
My All - 20 / 1998
When You Believe - 52 / 1998
I Still Believe - 11 / 1999
Heartbreaker - 40 / 1999
Thank God I Found You - 7 / 2000
Loverboy - 31 / 2001
I Know What You Want - 24 / 2003
It's Like That - 15 / 2005
We Belong Together - 26 / 2005
Don't Forget About Us - 52 / 2005
Touch My Body - 15 / 2008
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Janet Jackson:
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What Have You Done For Me Lately - 17 / 1986
Nasty - 29 / 1986
When I Think Of You - 40 / 1986
Let's Wait Awhile - 11 / 1987
Miss You Much - 39 / 1989
Rhythm Nation - 51 / 1989
Escapade - 8 / 1990
Alright - 21 / 1990
Come Back To Me - 34 / 1990
Black Cat - 41 / 1990
Love Will Never Do (Without You) - 3 / 1991
The Best Things In Life Are Free - 35 / 1992
That's The Way Love Goes - 19 / 1993
If - 34 / 1993
Again - 47 / 1993
Any Time, Any Place - 25 / 1994
Scream - 23 / 1995
Runaway - 38 / 1995
Got 'Til It's Gone - 41 / 1997
Together Again - 51 / 1997
I Get Lonely - 21 / 1998
What's It Gonna Be?! - 18 / 1999
Doesn't Really Matter - 34 / 2000
All For You - 15 / 2001
Someone To Call My Lover - 33 / 2001
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Compared to Britney Spears, for example:
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Baby One More Time - 5 / 1999
Sometimes - 26 / 1999
(You Drive Me) Crazy - 40 / 1999
Born To Make You Happy - 4 / 2000
Oops!...I Did It Again - 20 / 2000
Lucky - 35 / 2000
Stronger - 51 / 2000
Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know - 20 / 2001
I'm A Slave 4 U - 44 / 2001
Overprotected - 7 / 2002
I'm Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman - 16 / 2002
Me Against The Music - 47 / 2003
Toxic - 9 / 2004
Everytime - 25 / 2004
My Prerogative - 47 / 2004
Gimme More - 41 / 2007
Piece Of Me - 5 / 2008
Womanizer - 43 / 2008
Circus - 51 / 2008
3 - 42 / 2009
Hold It Against Me - 4 / 2011
S&M - 8 / 2011
Till The World Ends - 16 / 2011
I Wanna Go - 34 / 2011
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Or hell, even Beyoncé:
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Jay-Z feat. Beyoncé Knowles - '03 Bonnie & Clyde - 6 / 2003
Beyoncé feat. Jay-Z - Crazy In Love - 28 / 2003
Beyoncé feat. Sean Paul - Baby Boy - 43 / 2003
Beyoncé - Me, Myself & I - 8 / 2004
Beyoncé - Naughty Girl - 21 / 2004
Beyoncé feat. Slim Thug - Check On It - 5 / 2006
Beyoncé feat. Jay-Z - Deja Vu - 35 / 2006
Beyoncé - Irreplaceable - 46 / 2006
Beyoncé & Shakira - Beautiful Liar - 14 / 2007
Beyoncé - If I Were A Boy - 45 / 2008
Beyoncé - Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It) - 49 / 2008
Beyoncé - Halo - 14 / 2009
Lady GaGa feat. Beyoncé - Telephone - 12 / 2010
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Only the bolded singles topped the 2 million mark in points and/or made the year-end charts.
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Originally posted by tcweh
Yea, Same reason people think janet, Mariah, Beyonce or Katy are local. They are bitter and jealous that their fave wishes they had their US success. Taylor isn't Local, her song's just don't chart well because of the genre, same with Shania, And look how Global she is.
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I'm certainly not.
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In my country, people all know about MJ and his songs, but Janet was never popular here. And most people don't know her songs, tbh. Madonna is way more popular here.
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by Duca
Most of them spent like three weeks in the top 10, left the top 40 without topping the 2 million mark in points, and failed to make the year-end charts.
Mariah Carey:
Janet Jackson:
Compared to Britney Spears, for example:
Or hell, even Beyoncé:
Only the bolded singles topped the 2 million mark in points and/or made the year-end charts.
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In all Janets Tours Have been attended by over 8million fans and is the 3rd most successful black touring act of all time behind Tina Turner And Her brother Michael Jackson.
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Janet’s biggest selling single worldwide is “Together Again”; in 1998 it was the 4th biggest selling single of the year in Europe (2nd biggest for a female, only outsold by Celine Dion’s “My Heart Will Go On”). Worldwide sales according to Virgin Records are over 6 million copies, one of the largest selling singles ever from a female artist. “Together Again” spent nearly 50 weeks in the Top 50 of the Billboard Hot 100
It also remains one of the longest charting hits in Billboard history. “Together Again” sold over 760,000 in the UK making it one of the biggest selling singles ever in the UK from a female artist, “Together Again” sold over 600,000 copies in Germany also earned a Platinum certification just 2 months after it was released. “Together Again”, also went Platinum in the Netherlands, France, Belgium, South Africa, Italy, and even went Double Platinum in New Zealand.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Still local. 
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Member Since: 12/4/2008
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Originally posted by tcweh
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These receipts
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by tcweh
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Together Again 6.689.000 points
That's The Way Love Goes 6.592.000 points
All For You 4.295.000 points
Doesn't Really Matter 3.092.000 points
Someone To Call My Lover 2.623.000 points
Again 2.466.000 points
Scream 2.020.000 points
Runaway 1.699.000 points
Let's Wait Awhile 1.328.000 points
Miss You Much 1.292.000 points
Escapade 1.228.000 points
What's It Gonna Be?! 1.167.000 points
Black Cat 1.165.000 points
When I Think Of You 887.000 points
Rhythm Nation 814.000 points
If 795.000 points
I Get Lonely 755.000 points
Love Will Never Do (Without You) 750.000 points
Any Time, Any Place 640.000 points
What Have You Done For Me Lately 625.000 points
Nasty 477.000 points
Got 'Til It's Gone 461.000 points
Alright 306.000 points
The Best Things In Life Are Free 306.000 points
Come Back To Me 155.000 points
= 42.627.000 points
For comparison, that's Britney's first two eras (8 singles) + Slave. 
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Member Since: 6/28/2012
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I'm just now reading up on all she's accomplished. Kind of new stan here. She's had a fantastic career and I'm personally impressed by her achievements. 
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Member Since: 8/4/2006
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Ooop, Duca.  your work ain't workin.
Yes, some people may be more global than Janet. But in the field "acclaim" they couldn't even hit the corner. Janet went to the moon. General public still see some people as untalented and fabricated artists. I'd rather be the one who inspirated a whole generation.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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I call this song State of the Forums.
I wrote it about this thread. I was inspired by the delusion.
"What is happening to this forum we post in? In our home and other lands.
Delusion spreading on the streets.
People can't accept the receipts.
Lies are being told everyday.
That's the state of the forums today"
What do you think 
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
Ooop, Duca. your work ain't workin.
Yes, some people may be more global than Janet. B ut in the field "acclaim" they couldn't even hit the corner. Janet went to the moon. General public still see some people as untalented and fabricated artists. I'd rather be the one who inspirated a whole generation. |
You would be surprised. What's "inspirated?"
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