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Discussion: Rolling Stone: 100 Greatest Songwriters
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and now RS wants to shade Mariah Carey who obviously is one of the most successful songwriters in American music History and the most successful among women. I am not saying Mariah is the best, but when even the Grammy jury (that hates her) find it in their hearts to nominate her, so can RS place her somewhere in the second half as well.
so many lists that come out this year and Mariah is not featured on any of them.. despite being one of the most revered female songwriters and singers. I smell bias.
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Originally posted by stevyy
Mariah is the female songwriter with most #1 singles in the United States (17)
Mariah wrote the (so far) latest entry on the alltime christmas carols canon (at the age of 24).
As a songwriter, she was nominated for the prestigeous Record of the Year Grammy Award 3 times (Vision of Love 1991, One Sweet day 1996 and We Belong Together 2006).
As a songwriter, she was also nominated for the prestigeous Song of the Year Grammy Award 2 times: 1991 Vision of Love, We Belong Together 2006).
Madonna on the other hand has never been even nominated for a Grammy for Song of the Year.
Taylor Swift has also been nominated twice for a Grammy for Song of The Year (both of which as a co-writer like Mariah).
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And Madonna is still a better songwriter than Mariah.
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And again i want to add that Mariah has won prestigeous awards like
Recording Academy Award of Honor (2005) (That's from the Grammy people)
Long Island Music Hall of Fame (2008)
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) Award for Best R&B Songwriter (1994), Best Pop Songwriter (1995), Song of The Decade (2010).
Broadcast Music Incorporated Award (BMI) for best Pop Songwriter in 1995, 1997, 1999, 2007, songwriter of the year in: 1991, 1992, 1994, 1999
Rockefellar Center Award of Achievements (1994)
Rolling Stone Award for Best new Artist (1991)
Soul Train Award of Honor - The Quincy Jones Award (2003)
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And Madonna is still a better songwriter than Mariah.
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only in your dreams, baby.
facts are facts.. yes, Madonna is a RS darling, but Mariah got the actual accolades.
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And I want to add that Madonna is the most critically acclaimed female artist of all time and has a Songwriters Hall of Fame nomination.She is also in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and UK Music Hall of Fame.And has won many awards for her songwriting including a Grammy a Golden Globe,ASCAP awards,BMI awards and Ivor Novello awards.She has universally acclaimed albums.And she definetly deserves to be here unlike some boring and dull artist.And a few Grammy nomination won't change this
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I adore Madonna, please dont get me wrong. I own all of her albums and RH is my alltime 3rd most played album on LastFM (2011-), but it seems like - and this is a general observation - that she rightfully gets all the awards and is rightfully listed on all those best of lists.. but i feel like that while people give her all the attention, they are not willing to give it to other people who became legends after Madonna.
Madonna is the alltime #1, i salute that. But it should not be that hard to shine some light on other people and i dont mean Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga. They are products of the ladies before them, as much as Madonna, Mariah, Janet, Whitney stood on the ground that Tina, Aretha and co made for them.
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Originally posted by stevyy
only in your dreams, baby.
facts are facts.. yes, Madonna is a RS darling, but Mariah got the actual accolades.
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Madonna is a critics darling and has more Grammys and awards than Mariah She is recognized by Hall of Fames,too.Facts are facts...
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Originally posted by stevyy
I adore Madonna, please dont get me wrong. I own all of her albums and RH is my alltime 3rd most played album on LastFM (2011-), but it seems like - and this is a general observation - that she rightfully gets all the awards and is rightfully listed on all those best of lists.. but i feel like that while people give her all the attention, they are not willing to give it to other people who became legends after Madonna.
Madonna is the alltime #1, i salute that. But it should not be that hard to shine some light on other people and i dont mean Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga. They are products of the ladies before them, as much as Madonna, Mariah, Janet, Whitney stood on the ground that Tina, Aretha and co made for them.
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But Madonna,Aretha,Janet,Whitney and Tina are criticially acclaimed
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Originally posted by XStaticProcess
And I want to add that Madonna is the most critically acclaimed female artist of all time and has a Songwriters Hall of Fame nomination.She is also in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and UK Music Hall of Fame.And has won many awards for her songwriting including a Grammy a Golden Globe,ASCAP awards,BMI awards and Ivor Novello awards.She has universally acclaimed albums.And she definetly deserves to be here unlike some boring and dull artist.And a few Grammy nomination won't change this
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see, this attitude of yours is completely biased. While i know all of that, it is also true that other artists have almost achieved the same accolades (mind you Mariah is just as of this june 2015 eligible for some accolades that Madonna has already achieved).
The thing is that denying the fact that Mariah is a great songwriter is ignorant. BTW most of the people on the RS list dont have an Ivor Novello Award either, nor a Golden Globe (bc they never released a song for film).
Careers are different, but while they are, they can still be outstanding.
It is also completely pointless to weigh awards against one another.. is a Golden Globe worth more than the Recording Academy Award of Honor? Is an Ivor Novello worth more than an ASCAP Award for songwriter of the year? Are Pop, Rock, R&B, Electronic Grammys worth different value?
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ddd Madonna is not a better writer than Mariah in any way shape or form. Mariah's ear for melodies and expansive vocabulary >>>
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Originally posted by XStaticProcess
But Madonna,Aretha,Janet,Whitney and Tina are criticially acclaimed
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sure and so is Mariah, you dont win an Recording Academy Award of Honor (which probably is the most acclaimed award she has won so far) when you released bubblegum, dull trash.
The Soul Train Award of Honor - Quincy Jones Award is also not exactly an Award handed out to every twerking thong wearing celebrity.
I have no problem with Madonna being more acclaimed. But I guess your current state of ignorance and bias doesn't allow you to look past this artifcial feud that still prohibits some Madonna fans from supporting Madonna's actual peers.
i said what i wanted to say.
Mariah received widespread acclaim for songwriting during her career from the Recording Academy (Grammys), NAACP, BMI, ASCAP, Soul Train, and even Rolling Stone (during the beginning of her career).
sadly, people judge her for her diva attitud today.
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Originally posted by stevyy
see, this attitude of yours is completely biased. While i know all of that, it is also true that other artists have almost achieved the same accolades (mind you Mariah is just as of this june 2015 eligible for some accolades that Madonna has already achieved).
The thing is that denying the fact that Mariah is a great songwriter is ignorant. BTW most of the people on the RS list dont have an Ivor Novello Award either, nor a Golden Globe (bc they never released a song for film).
Careers are different, but while they are, they can still be outstanding.
It is also completely pointless to weigh awards against one another.. is a Golden Globe worth more than the Recording Academy Award of Honor? Is an Ivor Novello worth more than an ASCAP Award for songwriter of the year? Are Pop, Rock, R&B, Electronic Grammys worth different value?
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Yeah but Mariah will probably never get in because Janet and Whitney didn't.And Janet and Whitney are so much more acclaimed than Mariah.
Denying the fact that Madonna is a better songwriter is even more ignorant.
Do you want me lecture you about Madonna's awards? Because I can and hers are far more impressive than Mariah's.
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Originally posted by idkher
ddd Madonna is not a better writer than Mariah in any way shape or form. Mariah's ear for melodies and expansive vocabulary >>>
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Too bad a lot of people including majority of music critics disagrees
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It really made me happy to see Lou, David, Patti, Bjork, Ray, Joe, Moz, M, Marley, Kurt and Leonard mentioned even when the list is a huge mess for many reasons, especially the huge omissions and weird placements. But whats most hillarious is this thread lol
Are people really complaining about their faves not being included?
And the people complaining about sexism
I agree that some phenomenal female songwriters are missing from this list (Billie Holiday, Nico, Nina Simone, Kate Bush etc.), but the only merit should be the quality of music, while gender being irrelevant in this. And as a woman myself, I have to admit that there really arent as many legendary female songwriters as there are brilliant legendary male songwriters (one reason is also the sexism in the industry where women just didnt have the same oportunities as men, yes, but still). We ladies should really step the game up, and Im glad to see many new talented girls around.
And lastly, people complaining about Mariah
Mariah is acclaimed as a vocalist, but her songwriting is not acclaimed at all and rightly so, its just basic, bland, kitschy cheese.
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Originally posted by stevyy
sure and so is Mariah, you dont win an Recording Academy Award of Honor (which probably is the most acclaimed award she has won so far) when you released bubblegum, dull trash.
The Soul Train Award of Honor - Quincy Jones Award is also not exactly an Award handed out to every twerking thong wearing celebrity.
I have no problem with Madonna being more acclaimed. But I guess your current state of ignorance and bias doesn't allow you to look past this artifcial feud that still prohibits some Madonna fans from supporting Madonna's actual peers.
i said what i wanted to say.
Mariah received widespread acclaim for songwriting during her career from the Recording Academy (Grammys), NAACP, BMI, ASCAP, Soul Train, and even Rolling Stone (during the beginning of her career).
sadly, people judge her for her diva attitud today.
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Can I see the receipts for that Recording Academy Award of Honor award? Because I can't find it.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
It really made me happy to see Lou, David, Patti, Bjork, Ray, Joe, Moz, M, Marley, Kurt and Leonard mentioned even when the list is a huge mess for many reasons, especially the huge omissions and weird placements. But whats most hillarious is this thread lol
Are people really complaining about their faves not being included?
And the people complaining about sexism
I agree that some phenomenal female songwriters are missing from this list (Billie Holiday, Nico, Nina Simone, Kate Bush etc.), but the only merit should be the quality of music, while gender being irrelevant in this. And as a woman myself, I have to admit that there really arent as many legendary female songwriters as there are brilliant legendary male songwriters (one reason is also the sexism in the industry where women just didnt have the same oportunities as men, yes, but still). We ladies should really step the game up, and Im glad to see many new talented girls around.
And lastly, people complaining about Mariah
Mariah is acclaimed as a vocalist, but her songwriting is not acclaimed at all and rightly so, its just basic, bland, kitschy cheese.
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10. Stevie Wonder
"I feel there is so much through music that can be said," Wonder once observed, and the songs he's been writing for a half-century have more than lived up to that idea. Whether immersing himself in social commentary ("Higher Ground," "Living for the City"), unabashed sentimentality ("You Are the Sunshine of My Life," "I Just Called to Say I Love You"), jubilant love ("Signed, Sealed, Delivered I'm Yours") or gritty disses ("You Haven't Done Nothin'"), Wonder has consistently tapped into the sum of human emotions and happenings. He was already writing his own songs as a childhood prodigy at Motown during the Sixties (including the 1966 smash "Uptight (It's Alright)."
As he hit his artistic stride on albums like 1972's Talking Book and 1973's Innervisions, he used the recording studio as his palette to create groundbreaking works of soulful self-discovery. "Like a painter, I get my inspiration from experiences that can be painful or beautiful," he has said. "I always start from a feeling of profound gratitude — you know, 'Only by the grace of God am I here'— and write from there. Most songwriters are inspired by an inner voice and spirit." Combined with melodies that can be jubilant, funky or simply gorgeous, Wonder's songs are so enduring that they've been covered by everyone from Sinatra to the Backstreet Boys.
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And Madonna is still a better songwriter than Mariah.
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Oh now bitch I know you archeologists KEEP trying it with Mariah, but ya really need to close that coffin up pretty soon on your dusty fave. You fave hasn't written anything meaningful in about 15 years. Am I supposed to sit and do some pushups in honor of your faves gratesque arms because she wrote a song called"Bitch I'm Madonna"? All the while Mariah puts her soul into each song and turns out amazingly written greats like "outside" and "cry" and "petals" and the list goes on and on.
Madonna's atrocious songwriting is part of the reason why she always tries now to get more relevant artists to come along and dust off her **** and add stuff to her flop songs.
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