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Discussion: Why is a US #1 Album important?
Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
yes, the meshing of the eras,
the lack of a break.
little promotion blah blah blah.
But all of this would only make sense if radio wasn't playing her song on the hour every hour, and if iTunes didn't currently list her as #1 (unless it changed since I last checked). Her video has plenty of views, people know her album is out, some of whom have her last album. I guess it remains a mystery.
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Radio doesn't promote your album release date...that's what actual promo is for (TV appearances/specials/performances etc)
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Member Since: 9/21/2010
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Why is this still being discussed?
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Originally posted by Cas
Many of the #1 albums in the US aren't even certified platinum.
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Ok.
Your point? They're still #1 albums.
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Originally posted by Deemy
Why is this still being discussed?
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this has been the only civil and well thought out discussion...
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by Shape
If you're referring to Born This Way, it was #1 for 2 weeks in the US.
Do you have another argument, or can you concede that #1 albums have importance?
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I wasn't referring to Born This Way at all considering it's sold 2 million in the US.
I'm simply saying your argument isn't valid.
You are saying a #1 album is important, and that for that ONE week, if it hits #1, it says miles about you as an artist, regardless of what it sells in the long run.
but then you say, if a single hits #1 for one week, then that's it's a weak song, and it means the song was weak.
So isn't safe to say that it's clearly better, for something to sell in the long run, and if hits #1 for one week, then so be it. So OG, S&M, WMN?, and TAB all sold well.
Now, may i direct your attention to DSTM. That peaked at 3, but ended up selling 7 million, but i don't see anyone complaining, saying, "Well blah blah blah with her star power it should have reached #1, especially after Umbrella, yada yada yada". No. It was a smash.
So i really don't see any validity in your argument that's all. I think it's much better to have something sell well over a year, then just sell well in on week. So please, address what I'm trying to address, and don't redirect it to something like BTW because you have nothing else to say.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Shape
Ok.
Your point? They're still #1 albums.
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and that's why the 'importance' of #1 albums is being discussed...
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Originally posted by Shape
Ok.
Your point? They're still #1 albums.
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What about your previous post?
Your point? They're still #1 singles...
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Radio doesn't promote your album release date...that's what actual promo is for (TV appearances/specials/performances etc)
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Didn't iTunes have a Rihanna Banner? Wasn't her album released during the biggest shopping week (record breaking btw) of the year too? Considering the demographic her music caters to uses iTunes ... why didn't they buy the album instead of the single. I also know the Navy had higher expectations of TTT especially coming off Loud, so I'm sure most of the Navy is as baffled as I am with the results.
Anyways I dont want it to come off like I dislike Rihanna, because I dont. I like TTT, and WHYB *****. I'm just curious that's all. Bah, its late, I'm off to bed. 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Shape
It's always the Rihanna stans who talk about longevity over #1s.
Always.
Without fail.
When your single sells 275k in a week and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your singles?
When your singles only last 1-2 weeks at #1, what does that say about your singles?
Sure, you have a few long running ones, but the majority are 1 week reigns.
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Originally posted by MrFenty
Yeah and guess what, they ended up selling in the Long run....
It's not like any of the Navy are proud of those #1 singles, but tell me, are there alternatives for us? Should we start running around saying "OH she has 7 #1 singles! plus four other singles that don't really count....."
and riddle me this fool, when your album sells X amount in a week, and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your album?
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Originally posted by Shape
If you're referring to Born This Way, it was #1 for 2 weeks in the US.
Do you have another argument, or can you concede that #1 albums have importance?
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Originally posted by Shape
Ok.
Your point? They're still #1 albums.
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Really now? Is your memory so short or you are playing dumb?
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Originally posted by MrFenty
I wasn't referring to Born This Way at all considering it's sold 2 million in the US.
I'm simply saying your argument isn't valid.
You are saying a #1 album is important, and that for that ONE week, if it hits #1, it says miles about you as an artist, regardless of what it sells in the long run.
but then you say, if a single hits #1 for one week, then that's it's a weak song, and it means the song was weak.
So isn't safe to say that it's clearly better, for something to sell in the long run, and if hits #1 for one week, then so be it. So OG, S&M, WMN?, and TAB all sold well.
Now, may i direct your attention to DSTM. That peaked at 3, but ended up selling 7 million, but i don't see anyone complaining, saying, "Well blah blah blah with her star power it should have reached #1, especially after Umbrella, yada yada yada". No. It was a smash.
So i really don't see any validity in your argument that's all. I think it's much better to have something sell well over a year, then just sell well in on week. So please, address what I'm trying to address, and don't redirect it to something like BTW because you have nothing else to say.
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I figured you were talking about Born This Way and its huge drop in sales. My bad.
No, I'm saying that you can't argue longevity for albums if your fave's singles barely qualify for that statement (and sorry, but Rihanna's 1 week singles hardly "sold well" as you call it.
So, until Rihanna can prove longevity in her singles, and ACTUAL longevity with her albums stateside (other than GGGB), let's agree to stop talking about it, because once again all the Navy does is contradict and distract
EDIT: I'm only bringing up longevity because YOU keep bringing it up, so let's not try to turn this around on me and making me seem like I'm contradicting myself.
Personally, I don't give much a **** about longevity, but I'm willing to talk about it if someone's gonna go there, especially after Gaga has proven her longevity with a lot of her singles, and Rihanna hasn't
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Originally posted by Amaru
Didn't iTunes have a Rihanna Banner? Wasn't her album released during the biggest shopping week (record breaking btw) of the year too? Considering the demographic her music caters to uses iTunes ... why didn't they buy the album instead of the single. I also know the Navy had higher expectations of TTT especially coming off Loud, so I'm sure most of the Navy is as baffled as I am with the results.
Anyways I dont want it to come off like I dislike Rihanna, because I dont. I like TTT, and WHYB *****. I'm just curious that's all. Bah, its late, I'm off to bed.
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It may have been record breaking but that didn't help Nickleback to sell more than 250k. I must agree that I thought that TTT would sell 250k and Nickleback around 300k.
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The important question, why is this thread still open?
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
Didn't iTunes have a Rihanna Banner? Wasn't her album released during the biggest shopping week (record breaking btw) of the year too? Considering the demographic her music caters to is on iTunes ... why didn't they buy the album instead of the single. I also know the Navy had higher expectations of TTT especially coming off Loud, so I'm sure most of the Navy is as baffled as I am with the results.
Anyways I dont want it to come off like I dislike Rihanna, because I dont. I like TTT, and WHYB *****. I'm just curious that's all. Bah, its late, I'm off to bed.
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Rihanna was #1 on iTunes....Most of the Navy did NOT expect a #1 album and I think all if not most of us have come to realize that she's not going to suddenly have huge first week sales. When you come of a huge era like LOUD, you can't expect to release an album a year later (when LOUD is still doing well) bypass promo and still capitalize on first week sales. They needed to make it well aware to the public that a new era has begun and failing to do so was stupid on Def Jams part but again it's obviously clear that that's not where their focus is. They're obviously hoping and somewhat expecting this new era to ride the wave of the last. They don't feel the need to make a huge splash at the beginning of each era but rather stay steady and consistent.
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Navy, I really want to tell y'all.
From now on, never brag about Riri's success no matter what it is and no matter how huge it is.
Yes, there're lots of people liking or even loving Riri but sometimes we may just be doing way too far in talking about her success, which will definitely make them think, ''Y'all navy always like to brag, brag, and brag, y'all are really arrogant.' Then the attacks and the despises just start.
We should really be humble and modest.
Every kind of success is valuable, we should really cherish them instead of bragging about them.
Yes, TTT didn't make it this time, it's ok, we still have lots of years to go, she will have lots of albums, we'll still have the chance.
And to people who dislike her, please stop, every artists has his/her own value, do not attack or even insult her like that.
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Originally posted by herohoney
Navy, I really want to tell y'all.
From now on, never brag about Riri's success no matter what it is and no matter how huge it is.
Yes, there're lots of people liking or even loving Riri but sometimes we may just be doing way too far in talking about her success, which will definitely make them think, ''Y'all navy always like to brag, brag, and brag, y'all are really arrogant.' Then the attacks and the despises just starts.
We should really be humble and modest.
Every kind of success is valuable, we should really cherish them instead of bragging about them.
Yes, TTT didn't make it this time, it's ok, we still have lots of years to go, she will have lots of albums, we'll still have the chance.
And to people who dislike her, please stop, every artists has his/her own value, do not attack or even insult her like that.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by herohoney
Navy, I really want to tell y'all.
From now on, never brag about Riri's success no matter what it is and no matter how huge it is.
Yes, there're lots of people liking or even loving Riri but sometimes we may just be doing way too far in talking about her success, which will definitely make them think, ''Y'all navy always like to brag, brag, and brag, y'all are really arrogant.' Then the attacks and the despises just start.
We should really be humble and modest.
Every kind of success is valuable, we should really cherish them instead of bragging about them.
Yes, TTT didn't make it this time, it's ok, we still have lots of years to go, she will have lots of albums, we'll still have the chance.
And to people who dislike her, please stop, every artists has his/her own value, do not attack or even insult her like that.
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You need to realize that THAT won't change anything! most of the stan bases on this board are not humble!
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Originally posted by Shape
I figured you were talking about Born This Way and its huge drop in sales. My bad.
No, I'm saying that you can't argue longevity for albums if your fave's singles barely qualify for that statement (and sorry, but Rihanna's 1 week singles hardly "sold well" as you call it.
So, until Rihanna can prove longevity in her singles, and ACTUAL longevity with her albums stateside (other than GGGB), let's agree to stop talking about it, because once again all the Navy does is contradict and distract
EDIT: I'm only bringing up longevity because YOU keep bringing it up, so let's not try to turn this around on me and making me seem like I'm contradicting myself.
Personally, I don't give much a **** about longevity, but I'm willing to talk about it if someone's gonna go there, especially after Gaga has proven her longevity with a lot of her singles, and Rihanna hasn't
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Longevity is the issue man. I'm trying to say here!! that a #1 album isn't important, and that selling in the long run is the important part.
And I'm saying a #1 single isn't important, and that selling in the long run is! Please try to stay with me here, i'm not contradicting myself.
However, if you're selling in the long run, and ALSO happen to reach #1, then that's a good thing!
You should stop comparing her to Gaga, because i yet again, did not mention her but your brought her up again.
Now, the only thing we disagree on at this point, is our definitions of selling well and longevity. But whatever, we'll never be able to change each other's minds on that.
You also shouldn't generalize the Navy, and to be honest, it's not like you didn't contradict yourself at one point. (a single for #1 at one week = poop but an album for #1 at one week = AWESOME!)
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Member Since: 1/14/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
You need to realize that THAT won't change anything! most of the stan bases on this board are not humble!
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At least we can be.
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by herohoney
Navy, I really want to tell y'all.
From now on, never brag about Riri's success no matter what it is and no matter how huge it is.
We should really be humble and modest.
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Well said
The backslash today is a consequence of the myriad of "Rihanna is the New Queen of Pop (Receipts Inside)" posts that preceded it and for the most part was directed at the Navy, not Rihanna.
I'm sure Rihanna remains unbothered, collecting her checks, looking fine as hell, not giving a ****.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by herohoney
At least we can be.
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This board or any other should never be that serious to you....celebrate your fave's achievements the way that you want to 
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