[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

Always gets praised for her songwriting? If you really want to believe that then ok. She didn't get in for a reason the hall of fame for a reason. I also didn't ask anything about her being critically acclaimed but nice to see you bring up irrelevant information to a conversation that was supposedly about songwriting. If you think that someone with a discography of over 80 singles and probably well over 120 songs in general, yet doesn't have the ability to write even 10% of those by herself is somehow a "great" and "legendary" songwriter then all power to you.

She has won a Grammy(Best Song Written Specifically for a Motion Picture or Television),a Golden Globe(Best Original Song),ASCAP awards,BMI awards,Ivor Novello awards and a Songwriters Hall of Fame nomination for her songwriting.Her albums are critically acclaimed for songwriting and production not for vocals She didn't get in to that Hall of Fame but she will get in eventually.And being a nominee is a huge honour,too.She has over 200 songs not 120 And yes I do think she is a great songwriter

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

She has won a Grammy(Best Song Written Specifically for a Motion Picture or Television),a Golden Globe(Best Original Song),ASCAP awards,BMI awards,Ivor Novello awards and a Songwriters Hall of Fame nomination for her songwriting.Her albums are critically acclaimed for songwriting and production not for vocals She didn't get in to that Hall of Fame but she will get in eventually.And being a nominee is a huge honour,too.She has over 200 songs not 120 And yes I do think she is a great songwriter

Yes critically acclaimed for songwriting she didn't have the ability to do alone. I really don't think this fact is sinking through to you. And are you serious? The song she has a Golden Globe for took two other people to write. And unless you are some sort of prophet you can stop with the "she will get in eventually" arguement. She was denied her first time for a reason. If she gets in in the future only time will tell, not her stans. And lmao she has over 200 songs on her discography. This is just helping to further my point! Out of 200 instead of just 120 songs she hasn't even managed to write 10 of them by herself. Thanks for making my arguement even easier!

BTW if you want to believe Madonna is a "great" songwriter then all power to you boo. I can't imagine how highly you think of people that are actually able write their material by themselves though.

[Penny.]

the Lord
she deserves to be on that list
since she was a teenager she has been outwriting everyones faves

[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

Yes critically acclaimed for songwriting she didn't have the ability to do alone. I really don't think this fact is sinking through to you. And are you serious? The song she has a Golden Globe for took two other people to write. And unless you are some sort of prophet you can stop with the "she will get in eventually" arguement. She was denied her first time for a reason. If she gets in in the future only time will tell, not her stans. And lmao she has over 200 songs on her discography. This is just helping to further my point! Out of 200 instead of just 120 songs she hasn't even managed to write 10 of them by herself. Thanks for making my arguement even easier!

BTW if you want to believe Madonna is a "great" songwriter then all power to you boo. I can't imagine how highly you think of people that are actually able write their material by themselves though.

Omg 2 people? So many.Madonna is one of the few womans to get a nomination from Songwriting Hall of Fame in the first place So yeah it's a huge honour And yes she is a great songwriter and I have Songwriters Hall of Fame,Grammys,ASCAP,BMI,Golden Globes,Rolling Stones,The Telegraph and many professional music critics on my side.



Edit:For comparison,none of the womens on your signature got a nom from Songwriters Hall of Fame.Madonna is the only female mainstream pop star to get a nomination from that Hall of Fame.

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

Omg 2 people? So many.Madonna is one of the few womans to get a nomination from Songwriting Hall of Fame in the first place So yeah it's a huge honour And yes she is a great songwriter and I have Songwriters Hall of Fame,Grammys,ASCAP,BMI,Golden Globes,Rolling Stones,The Telegraph and many professional music critics on my side.

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Ok so I can clearly see you don't and probably will never get the point. And by the way it's "women" not "womans" and her being a woman has nothing to do with her being nominated and denied membership. You know what's an even bigger honor? Actually being inducted. Yes many professional critics prasing songs that she doesn't have the ability to write by herself.

In a nutshell all I am trying to say is

Solo songwriting >>>>> Co-writing
Songwriters with over 30 solo songwriting credits to their name >>>> songwriters with not even 10.
No help writing a great song >>>>> help writing a great song
And yea Rolling Stone does agree with me, which is why she wasn't placed in the top 50. Thanks for once again helping my argument.

[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

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Ok so I can clearly see you don't and probably will never get the point. And by the way it's "women" not "womans" and her being a woman has nothing to do with her being nominated and denied membership. You know what's an even bigger honor? Actually being inducted. Yes many professional critics prasing songs that she doesn't have the ability to write by herself.

In a nutshell all I am trying to say is

Solo songwriting >>>>> Co-writing
Songwriters with over 30 solo songwriting credits to their name >>>> songwriters with not even 10.
No help writing a great song >>>>> help writing a great song
And yea Rolling Stone does agree with me, which is why she wasn't placed in the top 50. Thanks for once again helping my argument.

Sexism says hi.And yes actually being inducted is a bigger honour but getting a nomination is a huge honour,too and you are trying to deny it.It's annoying.And no Rolling Stone doesn't agree with you because according to Rolling Stone she is one of the best songwriters of all time.5th female solo and 56th overall to be exact.Out of 2410935410468040943925478691894875 songwriters.And getting help from someone while writing a song doesn't make her a bad songwriter.Find a better argument for yourself.

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

Sexism says hi.And yes actually being inducted is a bigger honour but getting a nomination is a huge honour,too and you are trying to deny it.It's annoying.And no Rolling Stone doesn't agree with you because according to Rolling Stone she is one of the best songwriters of all time.5th female solo and 56th overall to be exact.Out of 2410935410468040943925478691894875 songwriters.And getting help from someone while writing a song doesn't make her a bad songwriter.Find a better argument for yourself.

Why don't you actually try to understand the arguement instead of using an "ism" as a crutch for your failing it. I could care less where she is listed as a female on the list, she isn't the top 50 for a reason. And seriously this wasn't out of 12345 songwriters. Almost everyone on this list is also a popular artist. If this list were solely for songwriters not popular artists we wouldn't see about 75% of the people we see on the list present, much less Madonna. Getting help isn't bad, but it does mean you pretty much automatically aren't above those that are able to write great songs by themselves nor are you as gifted as a songwriter as them.

At the end of the day whatever you say

Solo songwriting > Co-writing
Songwriters with over 30 songs credited to only them > Songwriters with less than 10

[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

Why don't you actually try to understand the arguement instead of using an "ism" as a crutch for your failing it. I could care less where she is listed as a female on the list, she isn't the top 50 for a reason. And seriously this wasn't out of 12345 songwriters. Almost everyone on this list is also a popular artist. If this list were solely for songwriters not popular artists we wouldn't see about 75% of the people we see on the list present, much less Madonna. Getting help isn't bad, but it does mean you pretty much automatically aren't above those that are able to write great songs by themselves nor are you as gifted as a songwriter as them.

At the end of the day whatever you say

Solo songwriting > Co-writing
Songwriters with over 30 songs credited to only them > Songwriters with less than 10

Are you a prophet?

And there is no point of arguing,anymore.Agree to disagree.

[SweetTalker]

The arguments in here

[Swag]

at the Queen of Pop Madonna!!!!!

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

Are you a prophet?

And there is no point of arguing,anymore.Agree to disagree.

Nope just giving a general estimation based on common sense and logic.

And very well agree to disagree my friend.

[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

Nope just giving a general estimation based on common sense and logic.

And very well agree to disagree my friend.

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

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[swiftie13]

Madge, queen of pop still making people pressed. Her lyrics are so underrated so I'm glad she got some recognition

[DevilPray]

slay queendonna and taylord

[MadOnHer]

@ how after 32 years Madonna still gets some people so furious!!!

Anyway, it's always nice to see respected publications continue to praise her songwriting abilities, which in my opinion is severely underrated on the whole!

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by antoine_

Mdna and Taylor the only pop girls here? Pathetic

You're talking about the same pop girls who need twenty other writers for a three-minute song? Yeah, pathetic.

Yeah, and Nas should be here.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by KingKunta

She hasn't even written 10 songs without the use of a co-writer. None of the "pop girls" talked about on this site are truely great songwriters Madonna included. Now if we're talking about genres other than pop then the word "great" can come up among female songwriters.

Has Madonna?

[stevyy]

Mariah is the female songwriter with most #1 singles in the United States (17)

Mariah wrote the (so far) latest entry on the alltime christmas carols canon (at the age of 24).

As a songwriter, she was nominated for the prestigeous Record of the Year Grammy Award 3 times (Vision of Love 1991, One Sweet day 1996 and We Belong Together 2006).

As a songwriter, she was also nominated for the prestigeous Song of the Year Grammy Award 2 times: 1991 Vision of Love, We Belong Together 2006).

Madonna on the other hand has never been even nominated for a Grammy for Song of the Year.
Taylor Swift has also been nominated twice for a Grammy for Song of The Year (both of which as a co-writer like Mariah).

[maurixrosup]

Originally posted by stevyy

Mariah is the female songwriter with most #1 singles in the United States (17)

Mariah wrote the (so far) latest entry on the alltime christmas carols canon (at the age of 24).

As a songwriter, she was nominated for the prestigeous Record of the Year Grammy Award 3 times (Vision of Love 1991, One Sweet day 1996 and We Belong Together 2006).

As a songwriter, she was also nominated for the prestigeous Song of the Year Grammy Award 2 times: 1991 Vision of Love, We Belong Together 2006).

Madonna on the other hand has never been even nominated for a Grammy for Song of the Year.
Taylor Swift has also been nominated twice for a Grammy for Song of The Year (both of which as a co-writer like Mariah).