[Benzene]

Originally posted by iamvladd

This one might actually scare old white ppl, so idk.

Whew, that's actually really good. Point to Cruz.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Marvin

Doesn't matter how long he's been a Democrat. His voting record and numerous speeches is all the proof he needs to show what he's about.

Getting caught up in partisan drama is silly and a big reason why he continues to expose the establishment.

Continues? He's been in Congress for 25 years. Where has this push been for a ~revolution~?

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Benzene

Trump is going to win big in SC. The only question is how big, imo.

Jeb is bringing his dad and brother to campaign for him. He might be able to snatch 2nd place and lessen the lead

[heckinglovato]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

Can't wait for Bernie to say that he lost Iowa by 1% and won NH by 20%

Mess at the precise prediction way before NH results

[Benzene]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

Yup, I'm not surprised that you, along with Democratic politicians, are looking at the presidential candidates by how long they've been part of the establishment rather than the issues they stand for. I'm delighted you're admitting your bias rather than running away from it like many politicians and even many people in this thread.

Bernie never "joined the establishment", running as a Democrat doesn't mean you "joined the establishment", you're just wrong, COMPLETELY wrong, like... in every aspect. And no, being in congress as a Socialist Independent for 25 years doesn't make you part of the establishment But so much for an "interlope" to be supported by close to half of the Democratic voters in America.

Lol @ you trying to turn this back at me. The Bernie fanclub HATES the supposed establishment but clamors for their support at the same time is the point. They think they're making some sort of salient political point by suggesting that Democrats will stand behind [the actual Democrat] Clinton. It's not a "OMG HOW CORRUPT" as much as it is a "Well, Duh."

Bernie has been part of the very political system that he has been deriding for 25 years. Please tell me what, exactly, makes him anti-establishment. What has he done over the last 25 years to support this theory of ~revolution~ besides talking a good game?

[Moonchild]

I don't understand why the Republicans are fighting so much over second place. They're putting in so much effort to lose.

Where they place doesn't matter unless they can find a way to overcome Trump.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Benzene

Continues? He's been in Congress for 25 years. Where has this push been for a ~revolution~?

I'm talking about as of late, since his presidential run. And his "push for a revolution" has obviously been working considering how his polling numbers are constantly increasing. People are getting on-board with what he's saying.

[Marvin]

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Moonchild

I don't understand why the Republicans are fighting so much over second place. They're putting in so much effort to lose.

Where they place doesn't matter unless they can find a way to overcome Trump.

Because whoever comes in second will be seen as the real establishment candidate and once the others consolidate around that person they think that person will finally be able to overtake Trump

[Moonchild]

Democratic socialism is not a one-size-fits-all issue, and Bernie has not acknowledged that.

[Benzene]

According to the Bernie fanclub:

Anti-establishment: Bernie and everyone who supports him.

Establishment: Clinton and everyone who supports her, including Planned Parenthood.

After the CBC endorsed Clinton, Bernsters immediately started flooding the internet with how they're all propped up by lobbyists and spreading quotes from Bernie's top black surrogate Ben Jealous. The same Ben Jealous who is now a venture capitalist, but hey, he supports Bernie! Therefore totally not establishment.

Very much over this progressive purity campaign.

[Moonchild]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Because whoever comes in second will be seen as the real establishment candidate and once the others consolidate around that person they think that person will finally be able to overtake Trump

I understand the rationale, but the time they waste attacking each other is time Trump gains support. By the time the establishment consolidates around anyone, Trump will probably be somewhat invincible.

[ABEL-o-matic]

Originally posted by Marvin

Wall Street is not even the enemy, when in fact Wall Street IS for everbody. People don't realize that the purpose of wall street is to decentralize trades here and there.

Virtually every single one of us have access to Wall Street and trade, and become rich.
Forex, Stocks..

Why you demonizing the same thing the can make you rich?

Why is Wall Street seen as the evil one?

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Moonchild

I understand the rationale, but the time they waste attacking each other is time Trump gains support. By the time the establishment consolidates around anyone, Trump will probably be somewhat invincible.

I agree with you. That's why I'm hoping Jeb (because I love Jeb lol) or Kasich needs to push the other two esablishment candidates fast (before Super Tuesday) or else Trump may be insurmountable

[heckinglovato]

Originally posted by Benzene

Lol @ you trying to turn this back at me. The Bernie fanclub HATES the supposed establishment but clamors for their support at the same time is the point. They think they're making some sort of salient political point by suggesting that Democrats will stand behind [the actual Democrat] Clinton. It's not a "OMG HOW CORRUPT" as much as it is a "Well, Duh."

Bernie has been part of the very political system that he has been deriding for 25 years. Please tell me what, exactly, makes him anti-establishment. What has he done over the last 25 years to support this theory of ~revolution~ besides talking a good game?

I'm not turning anything back at you, you turned this back at yourself and you claim that the Democratic establishment (it's not "supposed, it is the establishment) backs Clinton because she's been part of them for longer time, rather than for what the candidates stand for. I completely agree with you.

He's not part of the establishment. He's always been an Independent Socialist congressman from Vermont who's more progressive than any Democratic establishment politician. His entire campaign relies on small donors, he doesn't have a lengthy career of political relationships with Democrats, he never held a public position other than being an Independent Socialist Senator, he's far away from establishment politicians; they don't back him up (because they don't judge based on the issues, as you admitted), he doesn't need them (as evidenced by his MASSIVE win in New Hampshire against somebody who has been endorsed by NH's Senator, Governor and Congresswoman).

[Moonchild]

Democratic socialism is not going to address the nuances of the energy industry, education, criminal justice, the environment or the political process. At best, he's treating the symptoms but not the cause.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by Marvin

I'm talking about as of late, since his presidential run. And his "push for a revolution" has obviously been working considering how his polling numbers are constantly increasing. People are getting on-board with what he's saying.

We will see what the upcoming races bode for him before making any declarations about his support.

That said, Bernie must be the most unvetted candidate in primary history this late in the game. Even Obama had the 3am ad against him at this point. Wait until the general when Karl Rove starts flooding the airwaves with that old rape essay, and watch those favorables drop.

[heckinglovato]

Originally posted by Moonchild

Democratic socialism is not going to address the nuances of the energy industry, education, criminal justice, the environment or the political process. At best, he's treating the symptoms but not the cause.

I agree, hence why he FACTUALLY isn't a single-issue candidate, Bernie is a progressive who likes to get things done and his agenda FACTUALLY contains more than Democratic Socialism and Wall Street.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

I'm not turning anything back at you, you turned this back at yourself and you claim that the Democratic establishment (it's not "supposed, it is the establishment) backs Clinton because she's been part of them for longer time, rather than for what the candidates stand for. I completely agree with you.

He's not part of the establishment. He's always been an Independent Socialist congressman from Vermont who's more progressive than any Democratic establishment politician. His entire campaign relies on small donors, he doesn't have a lengthy career of political relationships with Democrats, he never held a public position other than being an Independent Socialist Senator, he's far away from establishment politicians; they don't back him up (because they don't judge based on the issues, as you admitted), he doesn't need them (as evidenced by his MASSIVE win in New Hampshire against somebody who has been endorsed by NH's Senator, Governor and Congresswoman).

And you're trying to act like it's some sort of point. It's not.

All you've told me is about his campaign, which I have already credited for being persuasive in managing to convince people that a quarter-century tenured Senator is somehow a political outsider. But what I haven't heard is HOW exactly he has been waging this great fight against the very ~establishment~ that he has been part of for the past 25 years besides talking a good game.

[Mike91]

Hillary's public endorsements have been messy as hell. Gloria Steinem, Madeleine Albright, and John Lewis (all icons) making complete fools of themselves and just turning people off from Clinton even more.