I'm happy you find it annoying when bias in favor of Clinton gets called out. This still doesn't change the fact that the IA title stayed there until the very last minute before NH because it was in favor of Clinton. It's a (rather trivial) symbolization of how the bigger bias works in favor of Clinton.
It says a lot about establishment politicians when they endorse based on who was in the party longer, not based on the issues.
Ermmm, parties are reflective of issues, for the most part. That's the whole point. And politics is just as much about relationships as it is about policy, and no pseudo-revolution is going to change that because whenever people are involved, relationships have to considered.
Bernie and his fanclub can't complain about THE ESTABLISHMENT11!!1 while simultaneously using the establishment name and it's machinery to get elected. If he was truly as anti-establishment as he claims he wouldn't have switched from I to D at the drop of a hat for political expediency.
Ermmm, parties are reflective of issues, for the most part. That's the whole point. And politics is just as much about relationships as it is about policy, and no pseudo-revolution is going to change that because whenever people are involved, relationships have to considered.
Bernie and his fanclub can't complain about THE ESTABLISHMENT11!!1 while simultaneously using the establishment name and it's machinery to get elected. If he was truly as anti-establishment as he claims he wouldn't have switched from I to D at the drop of a hat for political expediency.
Ermmm, parties are reflective of issues, for the most part. That's the whole point. And politics is just as much about relationships as it is about policy, and no pseudo-revolution is going to change that because whenever people are involved, relationships have to considered.
Bernie and his fanclub can't complain about THE ESTABLISHMENT11!!1 while simultaneously using the establishment name and it's machinery to get elected. If he was truly as anti-establishment as he claims he wouldn't have switched from I to D at the drop of a hat for political expediency.
Glad you realize those politicians back her up because of relationships and party loyalty, we don't disagree.
And no, it wasn't a "drop of a hat" - this is probably the lamest attack against Bernie. Even the most biased people acknowledge that you NEED to be running as D or R to appear on many states' ballots and also in order to be in debates and talk about the issues. Bernie is a progressive who likes to get things done, and you won't get anything done if you don't actually win the presidency.
Glad you realize those politicians back her up because of relationships and party loyalty, we don't disagree.
And no, it wasn't a "drop of a hat" - this is probably the lamest attack against Bernie. Even the most biased people acknowledge that you NEED to be running as D or R to appear on many state's ballots and also in order to be in debates and talk about the issues. Bernie is a progressive who likes to get things done, and you won't get anything done if you don't actually win the presidency.
Yep. And I don't blame them one bit, I wouldn't support some random interloper who's has been a Democrat for shorter than Britney's first marriage over someone who has consistently campaigned for Dem down ticket races for decades, either.
So Bernie is anti-establishment, but acknowledges that the only way to get things done...is to join the establishment? Quite the conundrum.
For someone who has been in Congress for a quarter century (longer than anyone else from either party), it's quite interesting that he's even able to claim that label. His campaign is persuasive, I will give them that.
Yep. And I don't blame them one bit, I wouldn't support some random interloper who's has been a Democrat for shorter than Britney's first marriage over someone who has consistently campaigned for Dem down ticket races for decades, either.
So Bernie is anti-establishment, but acknowledges that the only way to get things done...is to join the establishment? Quite the conundrum.
For someone who has been in Congress for a quarter century (longer than anyone else from either party), it's quite interesting that he's even able to claim that label. His campaign is persuasive, I will give them that.
Doesn't matter how long he's been a Democrat. His voting record and numerous speeches is all the proof he needs to show what he's about.
Getting caught up in partisan drama is silly and a big reason why he continues to expose the establishment.
Yep. And I don't blame them one bit, I wouldn't support some random interloper who's has been a Democrat for shorter than Britney's first marriage over someone who has consistently campaigned for Dem down ticket races for decades, either.
So Bernie is anti-establishment, but acknowledges that the only way to get things done...is to join the establishment? Quite the conundrum.
For someone who has been in Congress for a quarter century (longer than anyone else from either party), it's quite interesting that he's even able to claim that label. His campaign is persuasive, I will give them that.
Yup, I'm not surprised that you, along with Democratic politicians, are looking at the presidential candidates by how long they've been part of the establishment rather than the issues they stand for. I'm delighted you're admitting your bias rather than running away from it like many politicians and even many people in this thread.
Bernie never "joined the establishment", running as a Democrat doesn't mean you "joined the establishment", you're just wrong, COMPLETELY wrong, like... in every aspect. And no, being in congress as a Socialist Independent for 25 years doesn't make you part of the establishment But so much for an "interlope" to be supported by close to half of the Democratic voters in America.
This still doesn't change the fact that the IA title stayed there until the very last minute before NH because it was in favor of Clinton. It's a (rather trivial) symbolization of how the bigger bias works in favor of Clinton.
I never said it was anything serious, I will always call out bias when I see it.
But so much for an "interlope" to be supported by close to half of the Democratic voters in America.