[Crank_It_Up]

Where's Mariah Carey?

This list is moot!

[Nikolai.]

This list is really bad

[ArtForFreedom]

Originally posted by Nikolai.

This list is really bad

Sour grapes doesn't mean something is bad

[Rusty]

#34 Michael Jackson

Jackson's innate musical genius could be heard on the earliest Jackson 5 chart-toppers. And he came into his own with the sterling disco pop of 1979's Off the Wall and the monumental Thriller, where he got sole writing credit on "Billie Jean," "Beat It" and "Wanna Be Startin' Something." By Bad in 1987, he was getting a writing credit on nearly every song on the record. Jackson's collaborators and co-writers marvel at the way his dance-floor classics sprang full-formed from their creator's head. That, Michael said, was the only way he could write: "If I sat down at a piano, if I sat here and played some chords. . .nothing happens." Even more remarkably, the singer imagined the full arrangements for these songs as he wrote them, working from the basic rhythmic elements all the way up to the smallest ornamentations. "He would sing us an entire string arrangement, every part," engineer Rob Hoffman recalls. "Had it all in his head; harmony and everything. Not just little eight-bar loop ideas. He would actually sing the entire arrangement into a micro-cassette recorder complete with stops and fills."

KING!

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

People disappointed with the list need to understand that these things are pointless. Rolling Stone subscribes to a rock'n'roll "hierarchy" established from the '50s to the '70s because that's what their readership appreciates. Their lists will always reflect this. A different publication would arrive at a completely different order (except for Dylan at #1, probably, because his influence has been so widespread and is still massive today).

Taylor Swift's inclusion is obviously gratuitous because of her status in the industry at the moment, I doubt anyone at RS actually believes she is a greater or more important songwriter than many of the snubbed. No shade, and props to her for being that huge.

[OffTheWall]

Michael Jackson #34

[Citrus]

Dolly should be top 10. Smh.

[MadelineXPepito]

Originally posted by RockNRollNLove

I think it's tragic that Kate Bush isn't on the list, but to call the list sexist???

Joni Mitchell? Carole King? Dolly Parton? Stevie Nicks? Madonna? Chrissie Hynde? Patti Smith? Loretty Lynn? Lucinda Williams? Björk? Valerie Simpson? Cynthia Weill? Missy Elliott? Taylor Swift?
They're female!

I miss Kate Bush, Alanis Morissette, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple and Amy Winehouse too... but this list isn't sexist!

16 female songwriters on a list of 100 (13 if you count the ones in duos as half). I stand by my statement. Especially since it is known that there's an abundance of talented female artists and lots of them try to educate the GP that they are, in fact, being hindered by men.

[Temporal]

Originally posted by enxe

Critics always underrating Mariah

!!!!

And of course the Top 10 being a nostalgic mess, typical Rolling Stone.

[Achilles.]

Now that I've thought about it a bit, I feel like the most important women are all represented here, with the exceptions of Mariah and Kate Bush... Carly Simon, Fiona, Amy, Alanis if you really want to stretch it.

It says a lot more about the music industry overall than it does about RS in particular that there are so few women on the list.

[Travis Bickle]

Yes QUEEN!!
This site is always trying with M
Of course she is the best pop female songwriter ever

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by MasterOfMuppets

For the 100 Greatest Songwriters Of All Time it largely is very comprehensible and realistic. Its not the newcomer or 2015 pop or pop girl list. So i dont see it ageist or sexist or something like that.

Thank You! People on here really need to realize music goes beyond modern day pop girls.

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by Travis Bickle

Yes QUEEN!!
This site is always trying with M
Of course she is the best pop female songwriter ever

She hasn't even written 10 songs without the use of a co-writer. None of the "pop girls" talked about on this site are truely great songwriters Madonna included. Now if we're talking about genres other than pop then the word "great" can come up among female songwriters.

[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

She hasn't even written 10 songs without the use of a songwriter. None of the "pop girls" talked about on this site are truely great songwriters Madonna included. Now if we're talking about genres other than pop then the word "great" can come up among female songwriters.

Songwriters Hall of Fame,Rolling Stone and majority of the music critics disagrees with you.

[Feanor]

So Rolling Stones thinks that Taylor is the greatest songwriter of her generation?
That's a pretty impressive title, even though it's not official, but she's the only artist who debuted after 2000 with the exception of Kanye, but I'd say he belongs more to the generation of Britney, Xtina, Eminem etc.

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

Songwriters Hall of Fame,Rolling Stone and majority of the music critics disagrees with you.

She isn't in the songwriters hall of fame and she didn't even make the top 50 on this list. She has never been particularly praised as a great or legendary songwriter and rightfully so.

[RockNRollNLove]

Originally posted by MadelineXPepito

16 female songwriters on a list of 100 (13 if you count the ones in duos as half). I stand by my statement. Especially since it is known that there's an abundance of talented female artists and lots of them try to educate the GP that they are, in fact, being hindered by men.

A lot of the artists that are represented in that list were very big between 1920 - 1975.
At this times there weren't much females in music or it wasn't easy for them.
So not the list is sexist, the times were sexist back then.
The list just reflects that.

(Except the end of the 60's and the beginning of the 70's)

[SweetTalker]

Wth is this list Sia snubbed, Taylor too low

[XStaticProcess]

Originally posted by KingKunta

She isn't in the songwriters hall of fame and she didn't even make the top 50 on this list. She has never been particularly praised as a great or legendary songwriter and rightfully so.

She was nominated(and will get in eventually) and she is the 5th highest ranked solo female on this list.You can't be a Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee by being an average songwriter.And she is the most criticially acclaimed female artist of all time and she always gets praise for her songwriting

EDIT:Another best songwriters list for Madonna. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/c...ngwriters.html

[KingKunta]

Originally posted by XStaticProcess

She was nominated(and will get in eventually) and she is the 5th highest ranked solo female on this list.You can't be a Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee by being an average songwriter.And she is the most criticially acclaimed female artist of all time and she always gets praise for her songwriting

Always gets praised for her songwriting? If you really want to believe that then ok. She didn't get in for a reason the hall of fame for a reason. I also didn't ask anything about her being critically acclaimed but nice to see you bring up irrelevant information to a conversation that was supposedly about songwriting. If you think that someone with a discography of over 80 singles and probably well over 120 songs in general, yet doesn't have the ability to write even 10% of those by herself is somehow a "great" and "legendary" songwriter then all power to you.