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Discussion: Why is Beyoncé shaded for being a "celebrity"?
Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by idkher
Her celebrity status and commercial success aren't proportionate. You would think someone who has built up such a larger-than-life celebrity persona over the past 15 years would have a bit more music success to her name. Beyonce SEEMS like one of the biggest artists of all time... but when you look at the stats..  |
idiotic comment.
Her music and her brand are two different things, and only relate to a certain extent.
Nearly every celebrity with an enormous brand can be criticized for it not being in proportion with their actual "career". J-lo, Angelina Jolie, Beyonce, Jay-Z, P.Diddy, and the list goes on. Don't get me wrong, they're all successful in their primary career's, but their other affairs, whether business ventures or humanitarian causes, or them just being interesting, has created a celebrity status that can be seen to outweigh their most immediate calling.
And that's certainly not a bad thing. In fact, it's phenomenal.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by King B
What on earth is Irreplaceable, Baby Boy, and Check On it? They all went no. 1. And ATRL logic tells me that's what a smash is no?
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U.S #1 hits.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Because it's a no-substance drag. Britney used to get "dragged" for it, Madonna used to get "dragged" for it, Michael Jackson used to get "dragged" for it, etc. Every legend faces it at some point because they see their career and life become a cultural staple.  |
Difference is that those two artists actually have global smashes beyond their first singles, AND listening to them is not looked down upon by society. I mean I like Britney, but to say she actually will have a musical legacy is delusional. She's on the same boat as Beyonce except the latter has it way better.
Madonna is completely irrelevant to the current generation but that might change when she dies. MJ is on another level.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Havoc
So albums, performances, talent, artistry mean nothing? You're ignorant just outright delusional.
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Of course they matter but hits matter the most in terms of global recognition
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
U.S #1 hits.
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You said SMASH. Those are still smashes.
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Member Since: 5/3/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Difference is that those two artists actually have global smashes beyond their first singles, AND listening to them is not looked down upon by society. I mean I like Britney, but to say she actually will have a musical legacy is delusional. She's on the same boat as Beyonce except the latter has it way better.
Madonna is completely irrelevant to the current generation but that might change when she dies. MJ is on another level.
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Ruthless.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by idkher
But I thought the hive didn't use that chart  Rihanna didn't release a single in 2009 until late October and Hot N Cold had its chart run split in between 2008 and 2009... nice way to spin that in Beyonce's favor though. Also SL was not top 10 for any year, it was at #30 for 2009. |
These are all excuses so I'm not going to acknowledge whatever this was supposed to prove.
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Originally posted by idkher
AIWFCIY has sold 14 million copies and goes top 25 in every major music market every year, it is arguably the biggest female hit of all time. And actually it has gone #1 in Italy, Belgium, China and South Korea.  |
That's besides the point. 4 countries is barely anything + those #1s were all based on technicalities of those countries (some countries only count streaming into their chart formula). Yes it's a classic and one of the most successful songs of all time, but for you to say that Bey has not had a song chart higher than it internationally is really stupid.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Trent W
Of course they matter but hits matter the most in terms of global recognition
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Then why are Kesha, Flo Rida, Pitbull, Jason Derulo D-listers despite consistently churning out hits?
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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What a f**k?
16 years of career..
She sold over 220m records
+500 awards
~600m tour gross
etc etc...
Half from others countries
She is still bigger artist and still more revelant than your fave..
Stay mad haters.. Beyonce always win!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by King B
You said SMASH. Those are still smashes.
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Nah, more like #1 hits. Very good songs though.
Beyonce is obviously sticking around because she's pretty, talented, and hardworking. But her music is definitely not something people around the world fawn over *waits for year end lists*
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Havoc
Then why are Kesha, Flo Rida, Pitbull, Jason Derulo D-listers despite consistently churning out hits?
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Because they lack the things you mentioned
Artists like Rihanna, Katy, Taylor, Pink, Adele etc have the things you mentioned AND the global hits.
And they are all A-lists WW. Beyonce is obviously known WW but people don't know almost any of her tracks outside the US.
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Nah, more like #1 hits. Very good songs though.
Beyonce is obviously sticking around because she's pretty, talented, and hardworking. But her music is definitely not something people around the world fawn over *waits for year end lists*
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Whic list? Media traffic?
if so, media not full ww.
Only has 40-45 countries..world has +200 countries.. and media unofficial
And so much bey singles not even released ww.. ex: SL
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Trent W
Because they lack the things you mentioned
Artists like Rihanna, Katy, Taylor, Pink, Adele etc have the things you mentioned AND the global hits.
And they are all A-lists WW. Beyonce is obviously known WW but people don't know almost any of her tracks outside the US.
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Please stop acting like you know the consensus of the entire world. You sound ignorant and ridiculous.
If they were so much bigger than Beyonce WW their concerts should have a much higher demand than concerts.. yet she outgrossed them all....without her U.S dates.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Superpower
Hive, it's pointless to argue with Idkher and TrentW. Shading Beyoncé is the reason they joined this forum, not their love for music.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ally23
Whic list? Media traffic?
if so, media not full ww.
Only has 40-45 countries..world has +200 countries.. and media unofficial
And so much bey singles not even released ww.. ex: SL
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Mediatraffic doesn't track countries like Mongolia and Somalia in which it takes 5 copies to top a chart obviously. But overall, they're a very reliable service.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Havoc
Please stop acting like you know the consensus of the entire world. You sound ignorant and ridiculous.
If they were so much bigger than Beyonce WW their concerts should have a much higher demand than concerts.. yet she outgrossed them all....without her U.S dates.
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Hmmm I'm just saying a lot of people around the world know who Beyonce is but they struggle to know details about her music career cause they know a lot more about her celeb status.
The other ones I mentioned are known mostly for their music work, that's why they consume their singles and albums.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Trent W
And they are all A-lists WW. Beyonce is obviously known WW but people don't know almost any of her tracks outside the US.
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Hmmm...so thats why whole STADIUMS and ARENAS OUTSIDE of the US were singing DrIL / Flawless ? 
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Mediatraffic doesn't track countries like Mongolia and Somalia in which it takes 5 copies to top a chart obviously. But overall, they're a very reliable service.
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Wrong! so many 5-10 copies countires included media list
Ex: turkey
+ doesnt matter.. media still not ww
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Wait. So you're going to use Beyonce having a 15 year career, but we can't use her 15 year career stats?  You would think Beyonce had done killed one of your family members
She's sold over 220 MILLION records during that 15 year career you all brought up stay mad
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Trent W
Hmmm I'm just saying a lot of people around the world know who Beyonce is but they struggle to know details about her music career cause they know a lot more about her celeb status.
The other ones I mentioned are known mostly for their music work, that's why they consume their singles and albums.
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Again, Stop pretending you know the know the consensus of the entire world. You have nothing to back this up as it's based on your own bias and delusion.
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by Trent W
Hmmm I'm just saying a lot of people around the world know who Beyonce is but they struggle to know details about her music career cause they know a lot more about her celeb status.
The other ones I mentioned are known mostly for their music work, that's why they consume their singles and albums.
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Are you stupid? Who is going concerts for celeb status?
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