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Discussion: Why is Beyoncé shaded for being a "celebrity"?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by idkher
I don't think it's fair to include Destiny's Child albums with Beyonce's discography so no. Those three singles were not worldwide smashes, did any of those even go #1 in more than 3 countries? I'm talking about an I Will Always Love You, My Heart Will Go On, All I Want for Christmas is You sized hit. Or even a Poker Face/Roar/WFL sized hit.....
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Wait, why wouldn't you count DC? Was she not a member? wtf
And check UAC. CIL, Single Ladies and Halo all charted in the year end top 10 ww chart for their prospective years, ahead of people like Rihanna and Katy. IWALY type of successes are extremely rare + All I want For Christmas didn't go #1 in any country.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Hive, it's pointless to argue with Idkher and TrentW. Shading Beyoncé is the reason they joined this forum, not their love for music.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Superpower
Hive, it's pointless to argue with Idkher and TrentW. Shading Beyoncé is the reason they joined this forum, not their love for music.
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agreed...stop posting and kill this thread.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by King B
But you agreed with the post that said she has a 15 year old career, no? Stop backtracking and contradicting yourself. And SL sold 10 M (check IFPI) and halo sold 8 M (IFPI).
Your move.
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Those "IFPI" receipts aren't actually from the IFPI, they're numbers a stan put together from several different "sources" including an IFPI year end list from 2009 which stated SL sold 6 million. Halo did not make any IFPI list so that's a lie.
There's a difference between having a 15 year career and including sales from 2 different acts together. Like I would say Justin Timberlake has had a 17 year career but it doesn't make sense to include NSYNC sales with his own sales because they are two completely different acts. Sorry that's just the way it is! Ask Billboard!
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by Dawn
Wait, why wouldn't you count DC? Was she not a member? wtf
And check UAC. CIL, Single Ladies and Halo all charted in the year end top 10 ww chart for their prospective years, ahead of people like Rihanna and Katy. IWALY type of successes are extremely rare + All I want For Christmas didn't go #1 in any country.
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Not you ending her with the language of LOGIC and fact.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by KingBeyonce.
I'm just not seeing the logic behind this entire argument. Poor gals.
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It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They're just mad that Beyonce is still bigger and more relevant than their faves without the so called "global hits" they think are just oh so important.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by idkher
Those "IFPI" receipts aren't actually from the IFPI, they're numbers a stan put together from several different "sources" including an IFPI year end list from 2009 which stated SL sold 6 million. Halo did not make any IFPI list so that's a lie.
There's a difference between having a 15 year career and including sales from 2 different acts together. Like I would say Justin Timberlake has had a 17 year career but it doesn't make sense to include NSYNC sales with his own sales because they are two completely different acts. Sorry that's just the way it is! Ask Billboard!
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You can't count 2 acts into 1, is not fair, with that logic Justin would pass almost every single solo act minus Michael and Elvis, it doesn't work like that, so I agree with this
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Shes worshipped as if shes a god and hailed by the media on the daily and beyonce fans still reach to whine about some small minority of people that dare to say something negative about her. like stfu.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Havoc
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They're just mad that Beyonce is still bigger and more relevant than their faves without the so called "global hits" they think are just oh so important.
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Global hits are what make you huge and recognized
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by idkher
Those "IFPI" receipts aren't actually from the IFPI, they're numbers a stan put together from several different "sources" including an IFPI's year end list which stated SL sold 6 million. Halo did not make any IFPI list so that's a lie.
There's a difference between having a 15 year career and including sales from 2 different acts together. Like I would say Justin Timberlake has had a 17 year career but it doesn't make sense to include NSYNC sales with his own sales because they are two completely different acts. Sorry that's just the way it Ask Billboard
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Oh sure, let's ask Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/articles/li...billboard-hits
And the last paragraph could be the stupidest thing ever written. There's no difference between the two especially not when for part of that fifteen year career they were in a group and sold records based on their involvement in the group which therefore it is part of their career. Either you account for DC, which is part of her CAREER, or you leave that 15 year career BS alone. Your pick. (You'll lose either way)
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Dawn
Wait, why wouldn't you count DC? Was she not a member? wtf
And check UAC. CIL, Single Ladies and Halo all charted in the year end top 10 ww chart for their prospective years, ahead of people like Rihanna and Katy. IWALY type of successes are extremely rare + All I want For Christmas didn't go #1 in any country.
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But I thought the hive didn't use that chart  Rihanna didn't release a single in 2009 until late October and Hot N Cold had its chart run split in between 2008 and 2009... nice way to spin that in Beyonce's favor though. Also SL was not top 10 for any year, it was at #30 for 2009.
AIWFCIY has sold 14 million copies and goes top 25 in every major music market every year, it is arguably the biggest female hit of all time. And actually it has gone #1 in Italy, Belgium, China and South Korea. 
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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Every celebrity gets shaded for being a celebrity 
except for Taylor
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Trent W
Global hits are what make you huge and recognized
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Having global hits it not what makes someone huge and recognized. Flo Rida and Kesha both have huge single success yet they still remain D-listers...
Classic/quality songs, respect, and star quality is what resonates with the public, not chart positions. Hence why Beyonce has already accomplished all of this which is what she is able to outsell ad outgross her peers even if she doesn't have a hit song out.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Beyonce doesn't have any global smash, stop the madness.
Halo is her only mini-global smash.
Crazy In Love and Single Ladies are her only smashes but they lacked universal appeal.
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Member Since: 5/3/2012
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She's shaded for being more of a celebrity than an artist these days. That's why. All of the pop girls are celebs, but they still put their work as artists before their celebrity status. The same can't be said for Bey, hanging out with the likes of Kim K and whatnot.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Any mainstream artist is a celebrity, even Ellie Goulding is considered one now.
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Originally posted by Havoc
Having global hits it not what makes someone huge and recognized. Flo Rida and Kesha both have huge single success yet they still remain D-listers...
Classic/quality songs, respect, and star quality is what resonates with the public, not chart positions. Hence why Beyonce has already accomplished all of this which is what she is able to outsell ad outgross her peers even if she doesn't have a hit song out.
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The GP around the world doesn't know that
They just know the name of the song and the singer, if it was big or not, that's it.
Respect is only viewed from stans and the music industry, outside no one cares if you can't score a hit.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Beyonce doesn't have any global smash, stop the madness.
Halo is her only mini-global smash.
Crazy In Love and Single Ladies are her only smashes but they lacked universal appeal.
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What on earth is Irreplaceable, Baby Boy, and Check On it? They all went no. 1. And ATRL logic tells me that's what a smash is no?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Because it's a no-substance drag. Britney used to get "dragged" for it, Madonna used to get "dragged" for it, Michael Jackson used to get "dragged" for it, etc. Every legend faces it at some point because they see their career and life become a cultural staple. 
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Trent W
The GP around the world doesn't know that
They just know the name of the song and the singer, if it was big or not, that's it.
Respect is only viewed from stans and the music industry, outside no one cares if you can't score a hit.
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So albums, performances, talent, artistry mean nothing? You're ignorant just outright delusional.
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