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Poll: Bigger: P!nk vs. Beyoncé
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Beyoncé
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P!nk
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Member Since: 9/7/2010
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Can't_M!ss_This,
Beyonce doesn't need to buy media presence. It's not her fault that people are fascinated by her and talk about her all day like this site does.
And let's not act like P!nk never wanted or tried to be a celebrity. There was her outrageous fashion and statments. There was her mocking other celebs. There was her publicizing her relationship/separation.
Just because she got overlooked and didn't receive huge attention doesn't mean that she didn't try.
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Originally posted by Sammi
Can't_M!ss_This,
Beyonce doesn't need to buy media presence. It's not her fault that people are fascinated by her and talk about her all day like this site does.
And let's not act like P!nk never wanted or tried to be a celebrity. There was her outrageous fashion and statments. There was her mocking other celebs. There was her publicizing her relationship/separation.
Just because she got overlooked and didn't receive huge attention doesn't mean that she didn't try.
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so laughable  And ATRL is a music forum, so people feel free to talk about any artist. Sit down.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Trent W
This Beyoncé is bigger in general cause she's an entrepreneur, the richest female in the music industry, but when we see music careers Pink comes easily on top.
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Your point? So Beyonce is the correct answer
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Originally posted by Trent W
BEYONCÉ is light years better than TTAL, but is not commercial enough, it sold 3 million because of the huge hype and Beyoncé being at an all time peak in fame, but if it was released in a traditional way it hardly will pass 2 million WW tbh.
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Now that I know you like to troll I'll just leave this be.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by swissman
I understand that but does that mean that EVERY Columba/Sony/Epic artist had payola? Each and everyone? Or just the ones they needed to promote? If you think that it is a blanket statement for all artists, then you should be blaming a lot more than Beyoncé, who is not even named as one of the artists they payed for.
Also do you know that SONY BMG owns Jive records, Epic Records, RCA, etc. So…. if just being on a label under SONY BMG qualifies you for receiving Payola then it should stand to reason that P!nk and Britney are in that mess too.
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Columbia and Epic, yes. They were the two branches involved. And I blame a lot more than Beyonce. She's not the only artist I bring this up with. But it isn't fair to bring up her radio dominance and leave out her payola scandal.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Columbia and Epic, yes. They were the two branches involved. And I blame a lot more than Beyonce. She's not the only artist I bring this up with. But it isn't fair to bring up her radio dominance and leave out her payola scandal.
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It's unfair to leave out her payola scandal which she was not named in?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Beyonce hands down. It's interesting Pink, had a 4yr head start as a solo artist before Beyonce, but if your examine their album sales, the difference isn't much(considering the fact pink has more releases). Furthermore, lets not forget Pink had several under-performing eras(where America paid her dust) before her recent successful eras. Bottom-line, Beyonce is far more consistent than pink, when it comes to success.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
Beyonce hands down. It's interesting Pink, had a 4yr head start as a solo artist before Beyonce, but if your examine their album sales, the difference isn't much(considering the fact pink has more releases). Furthermore, lets not forget Pink had several under-performing eras(where America paid her dust) before her recent successful eras. Bottom-line, Beyonce is far more consistent than pink, when it comes to success.
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Pinks underperforming era is only Try This. Beyoncé had her underperforming era with 4. They're equally consistent, I'd say.
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P!nk in terms of sales
B in terms of status
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Lol things I've learned on atrl, BEYONCE buys her sales, her singles, her Grammys, her acclaim, her status, her impact, her awards, the media and that is why their faves can't compete.
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Originally posted by Liafen
Pinks underperforming era is only Try This. Beyoncé had her underperforming era with 4. They're equally consistent, I'd say.
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'I'm not dead' didn't do well, only scanning platinum in the US, considering the album sales were still healthier in 2006. Still, Pink had the advantage of releasing her debut in 2000, when CD sales were at it's peak.
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Originally posted by carameldelight
Lol things I've learned on atrl, BEYONCE buys her sales, her singles, her Grammys, her acclaim, her status, her impact, her awards, the media and that is why their faves can't compete.
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I heard she even pays people to attend her concert. A very close source tells me that all those people you see up there on stage are HIRED dancers and musicians. Can you believe it?
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Originally posted by Sammi
Can't_M!ss_This,
Beyonce doesn't need to buy media presence. It's not her fault that people are fascinated by her and talk about her all day like this site does.
And let's not act like P!nk never wanted or tried to be a celebrity. There was her outrageous fashion and statments. There was her mocking other celebs. There was her publicizing her relationship/separation.
Just because she got overlooked and didn't receive huge attention doesn't mean that she didn't try.
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P!nk tried to be a celebrity? Joke of the year.  She's outspoken and opinionated but she doesn't do it for attention, she's like that since she started talking.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
'I'm not dead' didn't do well, only scanning platinum in the US, considering the album sales were still healthier in 2006. Still, Pink had the advantage of releasing her debut in 2000, when CD sales were at it's peak.
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I'm Not Dead sold1,7 m in the US with WW sales of 6,5-7 million.
It didn't start well there, but eventually produced two top hits and one top15.
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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Originally posted by Sammi
Can't_M!ss_This,
Beyonce doesn't need to buy media presence. It's not her fault that people are fascinated by her and talk about her all day like this site does.
And let's not act like P!nk never wanted or tried to be a celebrity. There was her outrageous fashion and statments. There was her mocking other celebs. There was her publicizing her relationship/separation.
Just because she got overlooked and didn't receive huge attention doesn't mean that she didn't try.
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Lol, even if she did it worked for her very good.
So what (describing her relatinship/divorce) became one of her biggest hits.
Critizing pop culture (Stupid Girls), political statements (Dear Mr. President) are still remembered and impactful. (see Lily's hard out here, demi's la la la, CNN quoted these songs many times, it was praised by J. K. Rowling etc...)
Her crazy outfits from R&B period were yesterday posted by some hip-hop magazine/website, so it's very remembered.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by pinktennisfreak
Critizing pop culture (Stupid Girls), political statements (Dear Mr. President) are still remembered and impactful. (see Lily's hard out here, demi's la la la, CNN quoted these songs many times, it was praised by J. K. Rowling etc...)
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I think you're over-estimating the power of these songs. I don't think the GP really remembers or even cares about them, I've never heard anyone mention Stupid Girls since it was released and I don't even know Dear Mr. President. Just because Lily Allen made a political song doesn't mean that Stupid Girls is a very impactful one.
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Originally posted by swissman
I think you're over-estimating the power of these songs. I don't think the GP really remembers or even cares about them, I've never heard anyone mention Stupid Girls since it was released and I don't even know Dear Mr. President. Just because Lily Allen made a political song doesn't mean that Stupid Girls is a very impactful one.
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Dear Mr President even got into school books. And 1. Hard Out Here is not a political song, you should do some research. 2. When it got released, it was immediately compared to Stupid Girls by a lot of reviews and publications. I guess people still remember that song.
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Originally posted by swissman
I think you're over-estimating the power of these songs. I don't think the GP really remembers or even cares about them, I've never heard anyone mention Stupid Girls since it was released and I don't even know Dear Mr. President. Just because Lily Allen made a political song doesn't mean that Stupid Girls is a very impactful one.
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I'm sure they do. When Stupid Girls was released the internet controversy was insane. 8 million people downloaded the song/video in 2006. 2006. The video crashed MTV's servers on their video hosting site at the time. Oprah Winfrey, one of the most powerful women in the world invited P!nk to be on her show. Oprah Winfrey dedicated an entire hour of her syndicated talk show to talk about the "stupid girl epidemic".
More about the impact of Stupid Girls. I don't know if you remember but after the video came out, the whole "acting dumb" thing died. Paris Hilton fell off the map after that, having only 1 hit single.
I haven't heard anybody talking about Singles Ladies since 2009. That's roughly when it was released. I hear about it on the internet but I don't go to Starbucks and hear a gaggle of girls talking about anything Beyonce. Impact isn't just gossip or media coverage. Impact is changing the landscape.
Pink has been described as an artist who has changed the scope of pop music. She has been credited for breaking boundaries and pushing the envelope throughout her career. She is often regarded as the "most trailblazing artist" of her generation.[112][127][128] Robert Hilburn of the Los Angeles Times says, "Pink stood up for her music, broke the music industry's mold and scored a breakout hit, challenging a school of teen singers to find their own sounds as well." He adds, "[Pink] also started a race among other teen pop stars like Christina Aguilera to add substance to their own sound."[129] Referring to her as a "powerhouse vocalist", Ann Powers of the Los Angeles Times asked, "Why isn't she an even bigger star?"[112] Rob Sheffield of Rolling Stone commented: "I think people respond to her sense of independence and dedication. It inspires people ... This is a prolific pop artist who is sometimes famous and successful, sometimes obscure, who nonetheless keeps making her own kind of music. Every few years, the spotlight comes back around to her—but her fans can trust that when the spotlight moves along, Pink will keep on writing Pink songs."[112] Powers adds that her mix of rock-style rebellion, emotional rawness, humor, and "infectious" dance beats created "a model for the mashup approach of latter-day divas such as Avril Lavigne, Katy Perry, Kesha, and even Rihanna."[112]
James Montgomery of MTV describes her as "a fabulously fearless pop artist" who can "out-sing almost anyone out there. She can out-crazy Gaga or Lily. She's the total pop-star package, everything you'd want in a singer/entertainer/icon. And still, she remains oddly off the radar. Such is the price of busting borders, I suppose."[128] Entertainment Weekly said: "She essentially invented the whole modern wave of Pop Diva Domination: You can draw a straight line from “Get This Party Started” to Katy Perry, Kesha, pre-messianic Lady Gaga, and post-weird Rihanna."[130] Glamour Magazine wrote: "When Pennsylvania-born Alecia Moore debuted in 2000, pop was dominated by long-locked blonds like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and Jessica Simpson. Pink changed the game. Without her, the last 13-years of big-voiced, tough chick music is hard to imagine."[131] Jon O'Brien of AllMusic stated that Pink's music provided "the benchmark for the careers of Kelly Clarkson and Katy Perry, to name just two."[132] "Although never quite achieving the cultural impact (and infamy) of contemporaries such as Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, she’s proved surprisingly durable and influential (would there be any Katy Perry or Ke$ha without Pink?)", wrote John Murphy of musicOMH in his review of The Truth About Love.[133]
In a 2012 cover story on Pink, The Advocate wrote: "The singer has changed the sound of modern pop music irrevocably [...] paving the path for many of today’s most popular modern female artists, including Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Rihanna."[134] Bill Brotherton of the Boston Herald seconded this notion while reviewing The Truth About Love Tour, saying: "It’s hard to imagine that Katy Perry, Rihanna and even Gaga would have achieved superstar status without 33-year-old Alecia Moore leading the way."[135]
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