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Poll: Bigger: P!nk vs. Beyoncé
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View Poll Results: Bigger?
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Beyoncé
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46.81% |
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P!nk
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Originally posted by Eternium
Because the Hot 100 was mostly an airplay-only chart in the mid-2000s, which is why Sony was shilling out cash for its artists. These "accomplishments" are embarrassing to brag about when she paid for them and by no stretch of the imagination deserves them, and I say that as someone who generally dislikes P!nk (hated her till "Who Knew") and stanned the DIL era.
Her certifications were in a much better place than Britney's. She still has albums from that time period missing certifications, not to mention all of the master ring tone certifications (which is what put Bey "ahead" of everyone). Bey was one of the top selling females of the 2000s, but she was definitely not close to the #1 spot and you, as a receipts stan, know that better than anyone else  |
All of this, Beyoncé was easily top 3 most successful woman last decade, but it really really doeasn't feel like she was the top of them all. And your essay proves it!
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Originally posted by Trent W
Beyoncé
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The end. If she's "bigger in music" there shouldn't be any issue beating Beyonce to #1. Bye hun.
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Originally posted by Liafen
P!nk in terms of success, Beyoncé is a bigger celebrity.
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This.
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Originally posted by Waffles O'Brien
When you build a time machine to go back to 2010 these receipts will be relevent.
Since then Bey has had two eras where the public paid her singles pure dust, and P!nk has had two smash era's where she sold boatloads of album AND singles.
In fact, TTAL outsold both of Bey's albums this decade combined.
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Is this the logic we should use to determine who is the bigger artist? If so Adele is like 4 times a bigger star than P!nk.
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Originally posted by Trent W
Beyoncé but 2 weeks after and so on it would be Pink for the rest of the year, you are really not helping defend Bey here, their last albums are the proof of that.
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Do you believe this as well, assuming both promoted equally?
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Originally posted by swissman
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Might I ask what label Dangerously In Love was released on? Wasn't Columbia indicted of payola? 
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Originally posted by Waffles O'Brien
How is that relevant when every indication would point to P!nk selling more in the long run?
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You didn't answer the question. She's "bigger" right? So there shouldn't be an issue of her beating Beyonce to #1. But you didn't answer because we ALL know the answer. lol
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Originally posted by swissman
Is this the logic we should use to determine who is the bigger artist? In the case Adele is like 4 times a bigger star than P!nk.
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I would agree that Adele is almost that much bigger than P!nk....
Though since she doesn't tour much the comparison is harder to make.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
The end. If she's "bigger in music" there shouldn't be any issue beating Beyonce to #1. Bye hun.
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I'll take Beyoncé before Pink any day but let's not be delusional here, Pink doesn't have a solid fan-base that consumes her the first 24 hours. Beyoncé does, Pink has purely the GP consuming her. She is way bigger than Beyoncé right now in music. Let's not be delusional here.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
The end. If she's "bigger in music" there shouldn't be any issue beating Beyonce to #1. Bye hun.
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But if Beyoncé is "bigger in music" there shouldn't be anny issue beating P!nk in the long run, don't you think? 
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Originally posted by swissman
Do you believe this as well, assuming both promoted equally?
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Pink would still come ahead, Beyoncé promoting the album wouldn't have made that much difference, I think it would've sold 4.5m WW max if she promoted. The era was made for a short living because of the structure it had, and I'll be honest if she followed the same path of 4 era it would've sold like 2 million WW. You know where I came from with that.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Might I ask what label Dangerously In Love was released on? Wasn't Columbia indicted of payola? |
I understand that but does that mean that EVERY Columba/Sony/Epic artist had payola? Each and everyone? Or just the ones they needed to promote? If you think that it is a blanket statement for all artists, then you should be blaming a lot more than Beyoncé, who is not even named as one of the artists they payed for.
Also do you know that SONY BMG owns Jive records, Epic Records, RCA, etc. So…. if just being on a label under SONY BMG qualifies you for receiving Payola then it should stand to reason that P!nk and Britney are in that mess too.
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Nnn pink being more successful with an 1/10 of the media exposure. Only a queen 
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Pink can't touch Beyonce's classics legacy and acclaim. It's not hard for her to sell few more singles and albums more with all those safe, radio radio friendly, faceless pop/rock hits she makes.
Like I said, those don't make a legends. She will never be a bigger ''artist'' than Beyonce. There's more to an ''artist'' than just a sales. Sorry, not sorry.
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Originally posted by PULSE.
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receipts, not some "made up stan base thread with fake numbers" as they like to call it. 
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Then how come Beyonce was named
Female Artist of the Decade
Radio Artist of the Decade.
Airplay Artist of the Decade
Female Hot 100 Artist of the Decade.
Artist of the Millennium
RIAA's Top-selling artist of the 2000s
and not Pink?
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Ooop. End thread.
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Originally posted by Trent W
Pink would still come ahead, Beyoncé promoting the album wouldn't have made that much difference, I think it would've sold 4.5m WW max if she promoted. The era was made for a short living because of the structure it had, and I'll be honest if she followed the same path of 4 era it would've sold like 2 million WW. You know where I came from with that.
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No, I don't know where you came from. BEYONCÉ is just a more current sounding and more on-trend album than 4 which was old school R&B predominately in a time when every pop girl but Adele was doing major EDM.
Also, a huge part of promoting an album is through the singles. If your singles are hits it will introduce new people to your albums. To get singles to be hits you need to really make them seem new so even fans with the album already can get into them at that time. To do that you need to release a music video. So yes, even if Beyoncé promoted it wouldn't have done that much more because all the videos were out, but I am asking about if P!nk and Beyoncé both released an album with the same structure, promotion, etc.
I think they would be quite similar.
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Didn't Beyonce tour outgross Pink's with less tour dates without any new music supporting it?
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
I have reason to believe Beyonce buys her media presence, for the most part. My opinion, don't be bothered by it.
If P!nk cared to be a celebrity, she would be. But she has never wanted that. That's why she's always under the radar.
The sales speak for themselves, of course. P!nk has always said that she keeps the ticket prices as low as she can because she knows her fan base for the most part doesn't have money to burn. She looks out for the working class. If that weren't the case I'm sure The Truth About Love Tour would have grossed over 200 million.
As far as respect and acclaim go, I rarely if ever read anything negative about P!nk from a review of her albums or concerts. Comments by the "GP" on Twitter or Facebook are positive in the majority. The same can't be said for Beyonce. Even in real life when Beyonce is brought up, by me cuz I'm obsessed with pop culture like a good little gay, there's not always good things said. P!nk, once again is the opposite.
But those are opinions. The facts are that P!nk has stellar album sales, single sales, radio play and tour receipts. Beyonce only within the last year has pulled out some great touring numbers.
Also, you can't pull out DC numbers like they're Beyonce's. They're credited to the group and whether she was the lead act or not, she's simply not the sole reason for the success.
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so true
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Originally posted by swissman
No, I don't know where you came from. BEYONCÉ is just a more current sounding and more on-trend album than 4 which was old school R&B predominately in a time when every pop girl but Adele was doing major EDM.
Also, a huge part of promoting an album is through the singles. If your singles are hits it will introduce new people to your albums. To get singles to be hits you need to really make them seem new so even fans with the album already can get into them at that time. To do that you need to release a music video. So yes, even if Beyoncé promoted it wouldn't have done that much more because all the videos were out, but I am asking about if P!nk and Beyoncé both released an album with the same structure, promotion, etc.
I think they would be quite similar.
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BEYONCÉ is light years better than TTAL, but is not commercial enough, it sold 3 million because of the huge hype and Beyoncé being at an all time peak in fame, but if it was released in a traditional way it hardly will pass 2 million WW tbh.
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