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Discussion: Why is a US #1 Album important?
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Originally posted by ashuduff
It's an accomplishment but not a necessary one. What's the point of going to #1 if you're going to flop anyway (see Bionic in the UK)? It's better to sell than to chart. But then again, people would rather say they had a #1 album than 'I sold 200,000 copies in my first week'.
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I think people would rather brag about impressive WW sales then having a #1 album...
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Adele isn't the rule she's the exception.....but again, most American's aren't gonna commit to buying a new album from an artist every year. That doesn't mean that Rihanna the artist isn't being established. I mean the fact that she can continue to sell well on a yearly basis with each album that she releases is a testimate to her star power. Do you honestly think that an artist that isn't hugely popular can sell 5-6 million units a year with new material??
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No one is disputing Rihanna's popularity. In fact i've alluded to her being one of the biggest (If not THE biggest) celebrities in America at the moment. She's everywhere, especially musically, so why isn't her latest album in people's CD collections?
What are these people waiting for? The second single to buy the album? or the third? At what single does an ESTABLISHED (according to you) artist like Rihanna draw in the buyer? What does this say about people's faith in her product at face value?
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by Shape
We've had this thread a million times.
Fact is, when you have a #1 album, it means that for that week, people bought your album the most.
It doesn't matter if you sell 300k and you're #2, and those numbers would easily be a #1 any other week.
The point is that you weren't good enough to sell the most for that week, and that speaks volumes about you as an artist
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No.
The point is that you may be #1 for that week, but if you can't sell in the long run, you're clearly less relevant.
And that speaks volumes about you as an artist. That you can't even reach #1, but you can still outsell others who have?...
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Actually Rihanna is marketed by UK Mercury records abroad. I disagree that America is her main market otherwise she would have done more promotion there.
I also never said Barbados was more important but you seem to be on a defensive vein.
Again Rihanna is not an American artist. Signing to an American label doesn't automatically make one an American artist.
Adele signed to Columbia, does that make her an An American artist?
Janet Jackson was signed to Virgin records, a British label...did she then become an British artist?
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by Amaru
No one is disputing Rihanna's popularity. In fact i've alluded to her being one of the biggest (If not THE biggest) celebrities in America at the moment. She's everywhere, especially musically, so why isn't her latest album in people's CD collections?
What are these people waiting for? The second single to buy the album? or the third? At what single does an ESTABLISHED (according to you) artist like Rihanna draw in the buyer? What does this say about people's faith in her product at face value?
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Of course they are waiting for other singles? what are you talking about? do you know the world today?
Every album sells as singles are released. Beyonce/Britney may have sold well in the first week, yet as they released more, and more singles, their albums are not selling well. But would you not call them Established Artists who are huge in America?
Yet i must ask, are they really that huge if they don't sell in the long run? Is 7 days of selling REALLY well that much better than 365 days of selling well?
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Originally posted by Amaru
No one is disputing Rihanna's popularity. In fact i've alluded to her being one of the biggest (If not THE biggest) celebrities in America at the moment. She's everywhere, especially musically, so why isn't her latest album in people's CD collections?
What are these people waiting for? The second single to buy the album? or the third? At what single does an ESTABLISHED (according to you) artist like Rihanna draw in the buyer? What does this say about people's faith in her product at face value?
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I've already explained that much of it has to do with the lack of anticipation. People aren't waiting 3-4 years for her albums to drop so there is no urgency to buy her albums on the first week. Again this is something that is very calculated by Rihanna/Def Jam, if people are buying the album at a constant pace then then that speaks volumes about her star power, especially considering she doesn't do the level of promo as some of the other girls.
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It's always the Rihanna stans who talk about longevity over #1s.
Always.
Without fail.
When your single sells 275k in a week and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your singles?
When your singles only last 1-2 weeks at #1, what does that say about your singles?
Sure, you have a few long running ones, but the majority are 1 week reigns.
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Originally posted by MrFenty
Of course they are waiting for other singles? what are you talking about? do you know the world today?
Every album sells as singles are released. Beyonce/Britney may have sold well in the first week, yet as they released more, and more singles, their albums are not selling well. But would you not call them Established Artists who are huge in America?
Yet i must ask, are they really that huge if they don't sell in the long run? Is 7 days of selling REALLY well that much better than 365 days of selling well?
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I dont think anyone in this thread has disputed Rihanna's ability to sell in the long run.... so take a breath. Also this thread is not about Beyonce, and the woman is pregnant, let her be before ATRL-O-MATIC pays you a visit. But if you must compare, take a look at an album with a great opening and great overall sales, look at IASF.
The only thing people want to know is why hasn't Rihanna opened with bigger numbers given her great success. If you know the answer, send your application to Def Jam and manage her career.
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Originally posted by Shape
It's always the Rihanna stans who talk about longevity over #1s.
Always.
Without fail.
When your single sells 275k in a week and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your singles?
When your singles only last 1-2 weeks at #1, what does that say about your singles?
Sure, you have a few long running ones, but the majority are 1 week reigns.
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But when ANY stan brings up the TOTAL sales of their faves, whether in the U.S or Worldwide, they ARE talking about longevity! That **** doesn't happen in 1 week 
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Originally posted by Shape
It's always the Rihanna stans who talk about longevity over #1s.
Always.
Without fail.
When your single sells 275k in a week and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your singles?
When your singles only last 1-2 weeks at #1, what does that say about your singles?
Sure, you have a few long running ones, but the majority are 1 week reigns.
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Yeah and guess what, they ended up selling in the Long run....
It's not like any of the Navy are proud of those #1 singles, but tell me, are there alternatives for us? Should we start running around saying "OH she has 7 #1 singles! plus four other singles that don't really count....."
and riddle me this fool, when your album sells X amount in a week, and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your album?
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Originally posted by DvnR
I see no lies. That is not something I agree with the Navy on at all. But really, her two main audiences are US and the UK. That we can't deny, not just the US. But she should be strong in both, not just really strong in one and decent in another.
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What don't you agree with? The fact that Rihanna is a Barbadian artist? How can you disagree with a fact?
From wiki
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Robyn Rihanna Fenty (play /riˈɑːnə/ ree-ah-nə or /riˈćnə/ ree-an-ə; born February 20, 1988), better known as simply Rihanna, is a Barbadian recording artist.
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From the BBC
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Robyn Rihanna Fenty ( or ; born February 20, 1988), better known as simply Rihanna, is a Barbadian recording artist.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/7...6-00cb38737a1c
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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because rihanna doesn't have one. as simple as that. if rihanna had number 1 albums and no number 1 single , it would be then other way around so i ain't bothered . 
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Originally posted by Amaru
I dont think anyone in this thread has disputed Rihanna's ability to sell in the long run.... so take a breath. First of all this thread is not about Beyonce, and the woman is pregnant, let her be before ATRL-O-MATIC pays you a visit. If you want an album with a great opening and great overall sales, look at IASF.
The only thing people want to know is why hasn't Rihanna opened with bigger numbers given her great success. If you know the answer, send your application to Def Jam and manage her career.
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But we've given you a good explanation and I think Def Jam is more then aware of the 'problem' they just don't see it as a problem as long as there remains consistency in her album sales.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Shape
It's always the Rihanna stans who talk about longevity over #1s.
Always.
Without fail.
When your single sells 275k in a week and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your singles?
When your singles only last 1-2 weeks at #1, what does that say about your singles?
Sure, you have a few long running ones, but the majority are 1 week reigns.
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those 1 week at number signles stayed in top 5 for months , you tried though 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
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I dont think anyone in this thread has disputed Rihanna's ability to sell in the long run...
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Originally posted by Shape
It's always the Rihanna stans who talk about longevity over #1s.
Always.
Without fail.
When your single sells 275k in a week and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your singles?
When your singles only last 1-2 weeks at #1, what does that say about your singles?
Sure, you have a few long running ones, but the majority are 1 week reigns.
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Originally posted by MrFenty
and riddle me this fool, when your album sells X amount in a week, and then drops off the face of the earth the next week, what does that say about your album?
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If you're referring to Born This Way, it was #1 for 2 weeks in the US.
Do you have another argument, or can you concede that #1 albums have importance?
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Shape
If you're referring to Born This Way, it was #1 for 2 weeks in the US.
Do you have another argument, or can you concede that #1 albums have importance?
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Many of the #1 albums in the US aren't even certified platinum.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
But we've given you a good explanation and I think Def Jam is more then aware of the 'problem' they just don't see it as a problem as long as there remains consistency in her album sales.
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yes, the meshing of the eras,
the lack of a break.
little promotion blah blah blah.
But all of this would only make sense if radio wasn't playing her song on the hour every hour, and if iTunes didn't currently list her as #1 (promotion) (unless it changed since I last checked). Her video has plenty of views, people know her album is out, some of whom have her last album. I guess it remains a mystery.
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Member Since: 1/14/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Im really curious....if poor first week sales mean that you're not an established artist and that people are not here for you then what do poor overall sales say about an artist?
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I can give a lot of examples like this 
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Originally posted by rihannafan
because rihanna doesn't have one. as simple as that. if rihanna had number 1 albums and no number 1 single , it would be then other way around so i ain't bothered . |
It is looking that way because no one seems to have a problem with the other ladies like Pink or Shakira not having a us #1 album. I hate to make this a race thing but I think there is an element of that in there too because some people have been downright nasty and vindictive when it comes to Rihanna for absolutely no justifiable reason.
Some Black Americans don't like her because she ***** on their fave and they think an AA should be in her spot...see the Black American blogs to see what I am talking about.
Some whites don't like her because she is black.
The girl can't win!
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