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News: #DNCLeaks - WikiLeaks Released 20K Hacked DNC Emails
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Originally posted by jose168
i agree. however i think until the green party starts taking the political system seriously and stops this attention seeking presidency bids they know they'll never win every 4 years they don't deserve a single vote. They only hurt this country at this point. not to mention being pro-homeopathy  |
Almost every political party nominates presidential candidates. It's also arguably the best way to gain traction and mass recognition, there's nothing wrong with it.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Almost every political party nominates presidential candidates. It's also arguably the best way to gain traction and mass recognition, there's nothing wrong with it.
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If the Green Party were serious they'd work on electing local candidates. You can't go from 0 to 100. But alas, they're do-nothing attention seekers who are content to run a quixotic candidate every 4 years then disappear.
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Are they really pro-homeopathy, though?  Isn't Stein a doctor from Harvard?
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Almost every political party nominates presidential candidates. It's also arguably the best way to gain traction and mass recognition, there's nothing wrong with it.
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well i guess we'll just agree to disagree, i dont think they should be allowed to unless they have some type of significant representation in local governments. they need to start actually putting the work in and not just trying to shortcut their way to the top with longshot promises
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Are they really pro-homeopathy, though? Isn't Stein a doctor from Harvard? |
the party as a whole is, stein herself (i think) has said she's not really for it, but wouldn't be against it either. which is w/e
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Originally posted by Benzene
If the Green Party were serious they'd work on electing local candidates. You can't go from 0 to 100. But alas, they're do-nothing attention seekers who are content to run a quixotic candidate every 4 years then disappear.
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Don't they nominate senators and congresspeople down the ticket as well? I've seen several of those. My guess is, with their lack of financial abilities, there's only so much they could do to push these forward.
But all of that is besides my point anyway, which is about fear-mongering.
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Originally posted by Istan4R
It's so funny to see people excuse Hillary for this mess lol. Brainwashed idiots
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This  people need to wake up
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WikiLeaks slaying every pop girl left and right
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Originally posted by Obsession
Another nail in the Hilary coffin. This con artist of a presidential candidate will never reside in the White House again.
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and this is also true Hillary supporters, we shall see who the public decides the winner to be in November after all the Hillary leaks and shadiness. People can vote for a third party if they want it's no big deal. Quit fear mongering and maybe people would take you seriously. I don't support Trump or Hillary btw
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Here we go again with fear-mongering people out of voting third party.  Just let it BE. |
It's fine if people want to vote third party. That is their right. It's different if they specifically advocate against Hillary being elected when we all know there are exactly two possible outcomes; it's tantamount to advocating for a Trump victory. The right way to go about it, in my mind, is to advocate for their preferred third party candidate and bring more attention and votes to them regardless of the source.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Don't they nominate senators and congresspeople down the ticket as well? I've seen several of those. My guess is, with their lack of financial abilities, there's only so much they could do to push these forward.
But all of that is besides my point anyway, which is about fear-mongering.
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They have a building grassroots, local level portion of their party with city councilors, mayors, etc, but they mainly get traction in super liberal places like Seattle on such a local level.
Stein has basically said they know they can't win the presidency, but each 4 years is like a promo spot, and with the two mainstream parties having their most unfavorable candidates ever, you can't blame her for seeing a weakness to exploit to push her own team. Gary Johnson does the same, but at least Jill Stein/Green's views aren't archaic.
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Of COURSE Stein supporters are going to strategize on attacking Clinton the most - the most likely people to switch Green are the ones closest to the Green party on the political spectrum, it's the easiest and most efficient way for the Stein people to garner support for her; by launching aggressive attack campaigns against Hillary and convincing Sanders' base that she's their voice. It's much, much, much, more beneficial for her than running a casual third-party on-the-issues movement - Stein's supporters know it is best to capitalize on Hillary's centrist appeal and negative favorability numbers.
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Stein is also anti-GMO when studies supports the claim that they aren't unsafe. She calls for a moratorium against until they are "proven safe" 
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Of COURSE Stein supporters are going to strategize on attacking Clinton the most - the most likely people to switch Green are the ones closest to the Green party on the political spectrum, it's the easiest and most efficient way for the Stein people to garner support for her; by launching aggressive attack campaigns against Hillary and convincing Sanders' base that she's their voice. It's much, much, much, more beneficial for her than running a casual third-party on-the-issues movement - Stein's supporters know it is best to capitalize on Hillary's centrist appeal and negative favorability numbers.
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i guess this is why hillary picked kaine, at this point it'll be easier to reel in centrists/moderates than far left liberals who hate her at this point
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Stein is also anti-GMO when studies supports the claim that they aren't unsafe. She calls for a moratorium against until they are "proven safe" |
Well I am too so idc. 
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Stein is also anti-GMO when studies supports the claim that they aren't unsafe. She calls for a moratorium against until they are "proven safe" |
hippie medicine 
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Originally posted by jose168
i guess this is why hillary picked kaine, at this point it'll be easier to reel in centrists/moderates than far left liberals who hate her at this point
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I agree, I thought it was smart on her side. I don't see the majority of brainwashed and misguided Sanders supporters changing their minds just because of Hillary picking Warren as VP. They have been deluded into this idea that she's 'evil', 'lying', 'pandering', 'dishonest', etc. And there doesn't seem to be a way out of it.
I mean, some of them hate her so much they actually settled for Trump, the polar opposite of everything Bernie stands for.
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Johnson is 100x better than Stein but voting third party is a waste anyways- and I fail to see why this leak is such a big deal
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Who cares? It's not hard to see why the DNC would prefer Hillary in the primary when Hillary has been a democrat for over 40 years and has contributed more to the Democratic Party in that timeframe than almost anyone, and has helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars for democratic candidates and down ticket candidates, and has helped so many democrats get elected over the years, while Bernie only opportunistically became a democrat less than a year ago, and in the primary selfishly refused to campaign for or help raise money for any down ticket candidates if they didn't outright endorse him. And I mean, for god's sake, this is a man who, in 2011/2012 suggested that someone should run against and challenge Obama for the democratic nomination when he was the sitting President, and OUR President, who real democrats elected. A real, loyal democrat doesn't do something like that, especially when Obama was doing, and and is still doing, a great job especially in the face of unprecedented republican obstructionism. It's not rocket science, people.
Anyway - The election was not rigged. Bernie lost by more than 350 pledged delegates, and more than 3.5 million votes. The voters spoke and they said they wanted Hillary Clinton. It's as simple as that. He endorsed her, he lost. He had enough maturity to endorse her and is going to make sure that Trump gets nowhere near the White House. Nothing the DNC did or could have done could have swung the election in her favor by that much. She won, fair and square.
And it's not like Bernie had no shot at winning - Bernie had every chance to win, he came close to overtaking her in April, but he himself stumbled with a horrible NYDailyNews interview in which he revealed his very loose grasp on the issues and then his asinine assertion that Hillary was unqualified, which made him lose New York and that was the beginning of the end. If Bernie supporters had been more concerned with registering to vote and voting than they had been with being keyboard warriors, he could have, and would have, won. He/they did it to themselves, they have no one to blame but themselves for his loss. A study showed that Hillary actually had by far the most negative coverage of any candidate on either side of the aisle during the primaries. The media made Bernie actually have a shot at winning, all they ever said of him from February through May was that he was catching up to her and had a shot at winning, and that he had all the momentum. But he lost, and fairly.
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Go in. All this tea. Yas 
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Originally posted by Jackson
Johnson is 100x better than Stein but voting third party is a waste anyways- and I fail to see why this leak is such a big deal
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Gary Johnson:
* - Thinks birth control shouldn't be provided by health care
* - Against government funding of stem cell research
* - Supports private businesses / the commercialization of the prison system
* - Supports the commercialization of public education
* - Pro-Gun
You can't even say he's sane and Jill Stein is a loon in comparison cause Johnson doesn't think the government should even set a legal drinking age. He's a typical Libertarian who thinks any regulation is the government trying to take over. Call Jill Stein ineffective or a loser, but at least she doesn't hate poor people in the way Gary Johnson does .
And there's no real big scandal from these leaks except the fact that DWS has probably ruined her career. She'll have no chance to become a Florida senator and she will probably be pushed to resign by the election due to her terribly unprofessional behavior and ego.
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