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Discussion: If Katy released 1989, would it be as acclaimed/respected?
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Originally posted by Jaspurr
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
How so? Taylor's personality is all over 1989. The songs are about things she went through, and while Katy's could be too, they're just really packed with clichés that have been recited to hell and back. Not to mention Taylor is clearly more involved lyrically than Katy.
If Taylor released a weak body of work like most of Katy's she'd probably be penalized for it too, but she doesn't. And actually we won't find out until she declines in quality.
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Taylor's tabloid stories are all over 1989, not her personality. The album itself is completely devoid of personality, aside from on the few songs where she's playing another character (Blank Space) or moderately self-aware (or at least aware of the character she's portrayed as) [Shake It Off]. Style contains a story presumably about her very real relationship with Harry Styles, but in reality it could've been written and sung by literally anyone. Same goes for the rest of the album. That Katy's songs usually require one or two more people for lyrics than Taylor's do doesn't actually say anything about the end product.
This is not to say that personality is necessarily a prerequisite for good pop music; "Teenage Dream" is and probably always will be Katy's best song despite also being one of her most faceless, but where Katy's singles tend to lack personality they make up for in urgency. Taylor seems to be aware of at least half of this, as she's tried rewriting that very same song twice now (22 and Style) although she still hasn't figured out how to turn the bliss of whirlwind romance into anything more than a faint breeze of a chorus.
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Bye Sazare with your essays 
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No. Because Katy wouldn't have written/produced much of it and simply doesn't have the talent to forge some of the songs on there (by herself).
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Originally posted by Sazare
Taylor's tabloid stories are all over 1989, not her personality. The album itself is completely devoid of personality, aside from on the few songs where she's playing another character (Blank Space) or moderately self-aware (or at least aware of the character she's portrayed as) [Shake It Off]. Style contains a story presumably about her very real relationship with Harry Styles, but in reality it could've been written and sung by literally anyone. Same goes for the rest of the album. That Katy's songs usually require one or two more people for lyrics than Taylor's do doesn't actually say anything about the end product.
This is not to say that personality is necessarily a prerequisite for good pop music; "Teenage Dream" is and probably always will be Katy's best song despite also being one of her most faceless, but where Katy's singles tend to lack personality they make up for in urgency. Taylor seems to be aware of at least half of this, as she's tried rewriting that very same song twice now (22 and Style) although she still hasn't figured out how to turn the bliss of whirlwind romance into anything more than a faint breeze of a chorus.
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The entire Fearless album + "Enchanted" makes this whole essay so ridiculously null and void, especially that last line.
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Originally posted by Britney Spears
PRISM was way better than 1989 and got less acclaim so i'd say no.
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Ok. Lol. More partying songs doesn't mean a better album but on ATRL I guess it does.
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You know, I was thinking about this a while back. It definitely would have been critically panned.
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Originally posted by Sazare
Taylor's tabloid stories are all over 1989, not her personality. The album itself is completely devoid of personality, aside from on the few songs where she's playing another character (Blank Space) or moderately self-aware (or at least aware of the character she's portrayed as) [Shake It Off]. Style contains a story presumably about her very real relationship with Harry Styles, but in reality it could've been written and sung by literally anyone. Same goes for the rest of the album. That Katy's songs usually require one or two more people for lyrics than Taylor's do doesn't actually say anything about the end product.
This is not to say that personality is necessarily a prerequisite for good pop music; "Teenage Dream" is and probably always will be Katy's best song despite also being one of her most faceless, but where Katy's singles tend to lack personality they make up for in urgency. Taylor seems to be aware of at least half of this, as she's tried rewriting that very same song twice now (22 and Style) although she still hasn't figured out how to turn the bliss of whirlwind romance into anything more than a faint breeze of a chorus.
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i agree!
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It would get acclaim since its a fantastic album, but probably not quite as much since Taylor has built up a reputation as a great writer.
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Originally posted by Starstruck.
No and it doesn't matter.
It's also laughable how acclaimed Shake It Off is when it's just another repetitive brainless pop song  I still love it though but the critics are too biased. |
i agree with you.
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I'm really not sure I understand the point trying to be made by all of this.. like what ~natural~ advantage does Taylor Swift possess over Katy Perry? Despite how long it took each of them to do it, their careers almost parallel one another: both started making a particular facet of pop music (Taylor obviously with country and Katy with more of an Adult Contemporary, Liz Phair-esque feel) until they ditched their comfortable and origin sounds to pursue mainstream pop in it's purest form.
What happened thereafter is what happened thereafter: Katy released the songs / singles / albums that she did and Taylor did the same. They're both hugely successful, one just happens to have more critical success than the other.. I mean I don't know what else needs to be said other than that, really. Katy wouldn't have released 1989 because the trajectory of her current career shows she's incapable of doing such.
I think this thread is implying that Taylor Swift is more liked or has it easier than Katy Perry and that's pretty laughable. Katy Perry has/had the world in the palm of her hands and has never had the same media storm / frenzy that has been surrounded by Taylor for the past couple of years. Tbh Taylor Swift probably has it the hardest out of any mainstream, white pop girl (bc I believe Lady Gaga chose everything she had thrown at her).. people legitimately hate Taylor based on media perceptions whereas Katy probably commonly seen as a 'pop tart' because that's the portrayal of herself that she chooses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if she wanted to shake that, why not come out of left field and do a Lady Gaga era, or a badgalrihrih era, or something that shows actual artistic growth? Katy plays it safe and she knows she does, hell most of her fans will readily admit that too. So she'll stick with her 'safe' mediacritic score of 60 and if she / her fans want better, she should do better.
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Originally posted by Sazare
Taylor's tabloid stories are all over 1989, not her personality. The album itself is completely devoid of personality, aside from on the few songs where she's playing another character (Blank Space) or moderately self-aware (or at least aware of the character she's portrayed as) [Shake It Off]. Style contains a story presumably about her very real relationship with Harry Styles, but in reality it could've been written and sung by literally anyone. Same goes for the rest of the album. That Katy's songs usually require one or two more people for lyrics than Taylor's do doesn't actually say anything about the end product.
This is not to say that personality is necessarily a prerequisite for good pop music; "Teenage Dream" is and probably always will be Katy's best song despite also being one of her most faceless, but where Katy's singles tend to lack personality they make up for in urgency. Taylor seems to be aware of at least half of this, as she's tried rewriting that very same song twice now (22 and Style) although she still hasn't figured out how to turn the bliss of whirlwind romance into anything more than a faint breeze of a chorus.
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Lol @ Katy's (few) tabloid stories not being on PRISM but ok. What are you trying to do by invalidating Taylor's music? The critics disagree, and if your opinion on Taylor's music mattered it would be included with them but it isn't. So this thread is asking why Taylor has more critical success than Katy, not why Taylor's music is this or that or why Katy is misunderstood, blah blah blah.
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Taylor has credibility.
It's like comparing Beyoncé to britney imo.
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Originally posted by qurl
Lol @ Katy's (few) tabloid stories not being on PRISM but ok. What are you trying to do by invalidating Taylor's music? The critics disagree, and if your opinion on Taylor's music mattered it would be included with them but it isn't. So this thread is asking why Taylor has more critical success than Katy, not why Taylor's music is this or that or why Katy is misunderstood, blah blah blah.
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If you don't want to debate the topic, don't enter the thread. It's as simple as that.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Now this is how you make a thread, thank goodness
She could not have made this though, with her songwriting skills. Songs like Out of the Woods, Style, and Blank Space are too advance at the moment for her, and even though other "poppier" songs with simpler lyrics are above her, she would have to work hard to reach that. |
Are we out of the wood yet, are we out of the woods yet are we out of the woods?
Are we in the clear yet are we in the clear yet are we in the clear yet in the clear yet good?
You got that long hair, slicked back, white t-shirt.
And I got that good girl faith and a tight little skirt,
And when we go crashing down, we come back every time.
Cause we never go out of style
We never go out of style.
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But no it wouldn't have got the same acclaim
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
If you don't want to debate the topic, don't enter the thread. It's as simple as that.
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I'd actually prefer to just debate the topic for what it is instead of running in circles trying to make points that aren't relevant to the case. 1989 has more critical acclaim than any of Katy's albums and it's a fact, so I don't really get the point of trying to de-legitimize something that is already proven / not changing with Internet opinions. People (a very vocal, select few of them I might add) seem to have a hard time accepting that the world views Taylor Swift as a better songwriter, could it perhaps be due to the fact that it's true?
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Originally posted by Britney Spears
PRISM was way better than 1989 and got less acclaim so i'd say no.
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Britney has spoken! End topic.
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Originally posted by 4seldemari
Are we out of the wood yet, are we out of the woods yet are we out of the woods?
Are we in the clear yet are we in the clear yet are we in the clear yet in the clear yet good?
You got that long hair, slicked back, white t-shirt.
And I got that good girl faith and a tight little skirt,
And when we go crashing down, we come back every time.
Cause we never go out of style
We never go out of style.
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But no it wouldn't have got the same acclaim |
IKR :')
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