[JessPop]

Originally posted by Sunshine.

Is it not then possible to pass an exam with an A+, A, A-, B+, B, B- etc? Is an A+ the only way to claim success on an exam?

I agree with your analogy. You either pass or you don't. You either have a hit single or you don't. It's really black and white. So why are you making it deeper than it is? The Billboard #'s tell us the relative popularity of each single to the other. Not it's absolute success (see: "Sail"). Dark Horse was/is more popular, however both songs are still hits.

So who's really beating the dead horse? I mean what do you want me to say? DIL flopped?



Again a #2 hit is an underperformance? A #5 hit is an underperformance? A #8 hit is an underperformance? I'm not sure how plausible your militant definition of a "hit" is.

Nobody is saying that DIL isn't a "hit" on some level, but for a woman with as much hype as Beyonce has had shouldn't it be #1? "Call Me Maybe" was a hit and yet look at where Carly is today. DIL is more of a filler-track, a inconsequential "success" if you will that hasn't really connected in the U.S. and is severely under-performing outside of the States. That's a fair statement to make and I'm not going to say that the single is hugely successful when it is not.

A "militant" stance on the issue, as you so thoughtfully put it, would be to continue to push the notion that the song and its success is something that it clearly is not.

[Duca]

Britney looks cute here!

[slobro]

Is this X?

[JessPop]

Originally posted by BGKC

Are album/tour receipts a non factor or something? She's currently #1 in both those departments amongst the ladies. You expect further suffocation with a #1 single as well? As if #2 is "not charting well"
You're delusional.

"receipts" from an album that had to be dropped in the middle of the night to ensure that it would be successful after almost a year of stalling and push-backs? Everyone had lost interest (GP) wise until the surprise midnight release. Beyonce is still on her way out but I guess you can rest well knowing that she managed to find a way to extend her fading relevancy.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by JessPop

Nobody is saying that DIL isn't a "hit" on some level, but for a woman with as much hype as Beyonce has had shouldn't it be #1? "Call Me Maybe" was a hit and yet look at where Carly is today. DIL is more of a filler-track, a inconsequential "success" if you will that hasn't really connected in the U.S. and is severely under-performing outside of the States. That's a fair statement to make and I'm not going to say that the single is hugely successful when it is not.

A "militant" stance on the issue, as you so thoughtfully put it, would be to continue to push the notion that the song and its success is something that it clearly is not.

The song is a great comeback for Beyonce on the charts for sure. Is it a "We Belong Together" slayage? No! But it is a good recovery from the 4 era and its terrible single choices, She doesn't have to grow exponentially as a singles seller. Who knows? Maybe one of the BEYONCE tracks might end up being #1 or her next lead single will end up being #1.

[shayne]

Originally posted by Duca

Position Artist - Title 2.0 3.6 5.7 7.7 10.5 12.2 14.6
2 Katy Perry - Dark Horse (feat. Juicy J) 0.8223 0.8455 0.8835 0.9518 0.9801 0.9747 0.9714

omfg I can't believe this is real.

[Willy.]

In DH's defense, Happy is increasing like crazy. It's lead over every other song is insane.

[Sunshine.]

Originally posted by JessPop

Nobody is saying that DIL isn't a "hit" on some level, but for a woman with as much hype as Beyonce has had shouldn't it be #1?

I don't know. Should it be? Can the hype not be evenly distributed across her albums, singles, and tours? Does she need all of them to be #1 at once? Or could we consider that holding her to unfair expectations. Could this be an example of an overreaching criticism (like I was mentioning earlier)?

Originally posted by JessPop

"Call Me Maybe" was a hit and yet look at where Carly is today.

Exactly. It was actually a 9 week #1 single. Which goes to prove the point that #1's aren't all that. So I don't understand your fixation on it.

Originally posted by JessPop

DIL is more of a filler-track, a inconsequential "success" if you will that hasn't really connected in the U.S. and is severely under-performing outside of the States. That's a fair statement to make and I'm not going to say that the single is hugely successful when it is not.

Ok. So it's not Blurred Lines. A holistic review of this era reveals, however, that she's quite successful. Maybe, to answer your original question, the reason why she hasn't had a #1 hit this era is because there are more popular songs out. Maybe it has nothing to do with Beyonce the artist.

[Guero]

Originally posted by Duca

Britney looks cute here!

too light to be Britney

[Desert Rain]

Originally posted by JessPop

"receipts" from an album that had to be dropped in the middle of the night to ensure that it would be successful after almost a year of stalling and push-backs? Everyone had lost interest (GP) wise until the surprise midnight release. Beyonce is still on her way out but I guess you can rest well knowing that she managed to find a way to extend her fading relevancy.

Dropping it at midnight did nothing to ensure its success. In every Pre release thread people said she'd flop if she tried that.. Now that she didn't y'all say success was guaranteed?

The reason the surprise release worked was because a) The Hive came through and made those impulse sales in the first 3 hours, b) the critics openly loved it and c) news outlets combined the two so people knew this was a well selling and quality item that they should probably join in on the rush to buy changing that 80,000 to 800,000.

[Sunshine.]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

The song is a great comeback for Beyonce on the charts for sure. Is it a "We Belong Together" slayage? No! But it is a good recovery from the 4 era and its terrible single choices, She doesn't have to grow exponentially as a singles seller. Who knows? Maybe one of the BEYONCE tracks might end up being #1 or her next lead single will end up being #1.

And let's not forget, before We Belong Together, Mariah had It's Like That.

[MrPeanut]

Originally posted by Guero

too light to be Britney

Britney may not be as fit as she used to be but let's not act like she's I¢ebox or anything.

[Sunshine.]

Originally posted by JessPop

Beyonce is still on her way out but I guess you can rest well knowing that she managed to find a way to extend her fading relevancy.

Ahh. Now we're getting into the real feelings. The front is going down. That's all I wanted, sis.
You hate Bey, own it. Be you.

[Duca]

Originally posted by MrPeanut

Britney may not be as fit as she used to be but let's not act like she's I¢ebox or anything.

[Mike91]

Wait, so now BEYONCE was always going to be a success because of the midnight release when everyone on here thought she committed career suicide with it?

[Duca]

Drunk in Love will be more remembered than We Belong Together. WBT is completely forgotten today.

It was the biggest hit of the past decade in the US yet it sold only 1.5 million and its recurrent airplay is TRAGIC even though it was the biggest radio hit of all time until last year. Poor Moo.

[coddiecollins]

Originally posted by slobro

Is this X?

my thoughts exactly... pregnant x slaying ....

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Duca

Drunk in Love will be more remembered than We Belong Together. WBT is completely forgotten today.

It was the biggest hit of the past decade in the US yet it sold only 1.5 million and its recurrent airplay is TRAGIC even though it was the biggest radio hit of all time until last year. Poor Moo.

Most of the songs on 4 are more remembered than a good amount of the number 1 singles from the past 10 years.

[Duca]

Originally posted by Mike91

Most of the songs on 4 are more remembered than a good amount of the number 1 singles from the past 10 years.

Now let's not get carried away.

[BGKC]

Originally posted by JessPop

"receipts" from an album that had to be dropped in the middle of the night to ensure that it would be successful after almost a year of stalling and push-backs? Everyone had lost interest (GP) wise until the surprise midnight release. Beyonce is still on her way out but I guess you can rest well knowing that she managed to find a way to extend her fading relevancy.

So Beyoncé was fading into irrelevancy while on her most profitable tour, making a 17 video visual album, without a leak, just to surprise us and extend her tour into 2014 and come for that $250+M tour receipt?
Sure.