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Discussion: Gaga's Recipe for Flop - Little Monsters?
Member Since: 6/29/2011
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Going as far as employing an internet fan you found online though..? Putting the power on voice into her hands only for her to then drag another massive artist; it almost sounds like the words came from Gaga...
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ok i guess i agree that it has backfired, but the intention of wanting to include SPECIFIC fans with GOOD IDEAS is no problem imo. It's that this specific fan has taken on the role of spokeswoman (which i agree ).. but tbh even that isn't damaging Gaga's career to anyone besides ATRL.. the GP doesn't follow that
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Member Since: 1/6/2012
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Going as far as employing an internet fan you found online though..? Putting the power on voice into her hands only for her to then drag another massive artist; it almost sounds like the words came from Gaga...
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She found Emma at a concert
The gp doesn't care about this especially since the little monster mantra was worse during born this way yet people still bought the album
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Member Since: 3/24/2012
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Originally posted by keyboardhero35
I blame a combination of Interscope's piss poor management of her career, and campaign for ARTPOP, her fans, and her. I doubt the general public knows how mean some little monsters can be on the internet but honestly when it comes down to it, this era suffered greatly when Applause leaked which set the tone for the whole era underperforming. Interscope's job as a record label is to make sure **** doesn't leak, and unfortunately Applause leaked and fought Roar on iTunes and lost.
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Exactly. Like obviously we know about it because we're all on ATRL etc but for the average person in the GP they, for one, probably couldn't care less and two probably aren't even aware. What's hurt Gaga more than anything is firing a lot of her team and bringing on her "friends" that's when things started to slowly go down hill. I also think she's too visible now, she needs to keep doing like she's doing now which is lay low and work with Interscope and her team to make what's left of this era or the next era more concise and clear because since BTW things have been messy.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
Because she DOES listen to her delusional fans, and honestly that's a huge problem. And when I said "posts/tweets that are trying to help her," I don't mean career advice (no artists in their right mind would listen to their fans about career advice). She needs to stop listening to her fans who says "YASSS GAGA YASSS" to every little thing she does. Because this whole era HAS been a huge mess, but I guess she just doesn't seem to think so
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Omg are you joking? You honestly believe her listening to her delusionals is a dominant variant as to why this era "underperformed"? You're giving her fans way too much power than they actually have. What they do is fuel her spirit. She credits fans for everything but in actuality the only person driving her decision making and her creative process is really herself. Shes the one that adamantly acts contrary to what would benefit her the most because shes the one that adamantly wants to "sprint from sameness". Her fans are really just a sideline.
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Member Since: 6/29/2011
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Actually she did, go back and watch her Fame interviews. All she does is talk about her intent with the album.
Like I said, people had yet to acquire a negative perception of her on a massive scale back then therefore it wasn't perceived negatively.
You're regurgitating ******** ideals about what her problem is and in doing so you sideline that her actual problem is her stubborn adamance against playing the game to her benefit anymore. Its ego related but not in the way that you think.
But to a certain degree I do agree that she needs to chill out on the loft explanations.
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i really dont understand how so many people don't get this into their heads: Art in Pop is simply the album concept this era. Just like during BTW she kept talking about acceptance. Next era it'll move onto a new topic. Why do people keep assuming she will always keep calling her work ART over and over to the GP? That is simply one concept near to her heart about how popculture should be taken more seriously & be true art, and so to get that message out she created this album. But she'll move on from it next era, obviously
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Originally posted by imabadkid
Exactly. Like obviously we know about it because we're all on ATRL etc but for the average person in the GP they, for one, probably couldn't care less and two probably aren't even aware. What's hurt Gaga more than anything is firing a lot of her team and bringing on her "friends" that's when things started to slowly go down hill. I also think she's too visible now, she needs to keep doing like she's doing now which is lay low and work with Interscope and her team to make what's left of this era or the next era more concise and clear because since BTW things have been messy.
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THIS. there's no problem including creative/talented fans/friends you find to help you create, but firing the professionals and put them in place instead is
this, plus what I said before about her writing music for the fans, and plus her (now) dated dance/pop sound are her only three problems imo
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Originally posted by helloDer
i really dont understand how so many people don't get this into their heads: Art in Pop is simply the album concept this era. Just like during BTW she kept talking about acceptance. Next era it'll move onto a new topic. Why do people keep assuming she will always keep calling her work ART over and over to the GP? That is simply one concept near to her heart about how popculture should be taken more seriously & be true art, and so to get that message out she created this album. But she'll move on from it next era, obviously
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I don't understand how people try to act like anything shes done this era has been shoved down anyones throats. The only people that feel as though anything Gaga related has been shoved down their throats are the ones that did it to themselves lol
All shes done is explain her concept (of which I don't care for but nevertheless) and shes done it numerous times because shes done numerous interviews where they ask the same questions over and over again. People keep acting like this is Born This Way and shes being overly cocky to the entire world. I mean when people try to use that argument its obvious they're not actually paying attention at all.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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The problem is that everyone, GP included, knows what little monsters are, and their opinion of those little monsters is the perception that they are made up of gays and outcasts who like to dress up to impress their 'Queen'...
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by helloDer
THIS. there's no problem including creative/talented fans/friends you find to help you create, but firing the professionals and put them in place instead is
this, plus what I said before about her writing music for the fans, and plus her (now) dated dance/pop sound are her only three problems imo
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Someone posted a list of people who were once in the Haus and those that are current members... The difference is shocking, to say the least.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
The problem is that everyone, GP included, knows what little monsters are, and their opinion of those little monsters is the perception that they are made up of gays and outcasts who like to dress up to impress their 'Queen'...
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Little monsters have a bad rep generally speaking but no one actually cares besides people on websites like this and gay guys that pay attention to the world of pop music divas.
THEY are not the reason she struggles because monsters don't matter. They're just a scapegoat.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by helloDer
THIS. there's no problem including creative/talented fans/friends you find to help you create, but firing the professionals and put them in place instead is
this, plus what I said before about her writing music for the fans, and plus her (now) dated dance/pop sound are her only three problems imo
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Her dance/pop is not dated. If she were to have made some rave sounding David Guetta type **** than sure. But what she made was 80s synth induced pop. That doesn't ever go out of style.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
I don't understand how people try to act like anything shes done this era has been shoved down anyones throats. The only people that feel as though anything Gaga related has been shoved down their throats are the ones that did it to themselves lol
All shes done is explain her concept (of which I don't care for but nevertheless) and shes done it numerous times because shes done numerous interviews where they ask the same questions over and over again. People keep acting like this is Born This Way and shes being overly cocky to the entire world. I mean when people try to use that argument its obvious they're not actually paying attention at all.
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exactly!
the only perception of any this the GP have tbh is the title. I believe it should've been called Venus, and it still could've had the same concept she explains and it would've gone a lot better
I love this concept though! Then again, I also loved BTW concept
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Little monsters have a bad rep generally speaking but no one actually cares besides people on websites like this and gay guys that pay attention to the world of pop music divas.
THEY are not the reason she struggles because monsters don't matter. They're just a scapegoat.
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They are the reason people are reluctant to commit to being fans openly, though. They don't want the negative association.
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No, the music was just terribly sub-par for her.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Her dance/pop is not dated. If she were to have made some rave sounding David Guetta type **** than sure. But what she made was 80s synth induced pop. That doesn't ever go out of style.
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i'm not saying the way she does dance/pop is dated, i love it obviously, but EDMdance is going by the wayside on US top40 radio.. most of the female albums released this year have moved on from it - PRISM, Bangerz, BEYONCE.. not saying she should copy their sounds, but simply change hers up.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by J a y
That's not true. The majority of ATRL said ARTPOP was a good album when it leaked. It was only until its numbers were less than Katy's, that everyone then decided that the album was ****. It's popular to dislike her at the mo, and some even hate her.
Pretty much the opposite took place when BEYONCÉ was released. ATRL has become a place of chart stans, not music.
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Member Since: 6/29/2011
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
They are the reason people are reluctant to commit to being fans openly, though. They don't want the negative association.
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I suppose I can definitely see that tbh.. but there's nothing to do now tbh. gaga's not going to like tell her LM to stop being weird
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
They are the reason people are reluctant to commit to being fans openly, though. They don't want the negative association.
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People don't want to consider themselves a little monster, I don't consider myself a little monster.
But you're putting way too much importance on that. It doesn't matter.
People aren't latching onto her right now because perception of her turned sour last era and shes being given a really hard time when trying to reverse that perception back to something more positive. It has nothing to do with her fans who have joined in all the ******** people talk because they get tired of defending her all the time i'd imagine.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Omg are you joking? You honestly believe her listening to her delusionals is a dominant variant as to why this era "underperformed"? You're giving her fans way too much power than they actually have. What they do is fuel her spirit. She credits fans for everything but in actuality the only person driving her decision making and her creative process is really herself. Shes the one that adamantly acts contrary to what would benefit her the most because shes the one that adamantly wants to "sprint from sameness". Her fans are really just a sideline.
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I don't think you get my point though (or you're ignoring it on purpose or w/e). You're correct; her fans have nothing to do with her decision-making and whatnot. But the thing is, her delusional fans will always say "YASSS GAGA" to everything. This ends up hurting her at the end of the day, because she only listens to her deluded fans. She'll never realize that she ****ed up, and she won't learn from her mistakes.
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Member Since: 1/6/2012
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Originally posted by helloDer
i'm not saying the way she does dance/pop is dated, i love it obviously, but EDMdance is going by the wayside on US top40 radio.. most of the female albums released this year have moved on from it - PRISM, Bangerz, BEYONCE.. not saying she should copy their sounds, but simply change hers up.
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But an EDM song is #1 this week
And soon your fave in your avi will release another one next week
DWUW is less EDM yet is flopping while Applause received some success
The genre isn't the problem
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