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Discussion: Why is a US #1 Album important?
Member Since: 10/18/2010
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Originally posted by Britneyfan09
Yes Rihanna isn't becoming a has been and taking a hiatus after a highly promoted GH release that is suppose to slay the other girls underperforms.  |
Wait one more year...
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Member Since: 6/15/2009
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Originally posted by Nait Phoenix
Wait one more decade... |
Fixed. Utada ain't playing this time she gon be gone for a while if not forever.
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Originally posted by GetCrunk
World's best-selling country music album and the best-selling studio album ever released by a female artist in any genre. Peaked at #2 in the Billboard charts.  |
But Rihanna will never do that.
"Thriller" the single never went #1 but is the biggest song of all time.
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Member Since: 10/2/2009
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Originally posted by Nicole
No, because there are fluke times when sales are so low that a random album can debut at #1 with 80K. And there are times when albums debut to big numbers but are blocked by a bigger album. But Rihanna has had 6 albums with 11 #1s and 21 Top 10s, and her competition hasn't always been strong (like this week). She should be opening to 500K+ in her sleep.
But this topic has been exhausted now.
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Yeah sadly I know that. Just your "starpower" statement doesn't work all the time.
But I know Rihanna should be opening with bigger numbers based on the massive hits she has.
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Member Since: 10/18/2010
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Originally posted by Britneyfan09
Fixed. Utada ain't playing this time she gon be gone for a while if not forever. |
'scuse me, do not misconstrue my shade. 
If you don't recognize proper shade, you can excuse yourself now.
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Britneyfan09
Yes Rihanna isn't becoming a has been and taking a hiatus after a highly promoted GH release that is suppose to slay the other girls underperforms. |
Last I checked First Love was still the #1 album on the all time chart.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
That doesn't even make sense...does Drake have more star power then Rihanna?? J.Cole?? etc
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Drake does have more starpower than Rihanna 
J. Cole & Drake both have a more stable and dedicated fanbase though, Drake will always celebrate great numbers unless he puts out bad material and J Cole will increase as he grows as an artist...Actually Drake is perfect proof of why a number one album and strong first week sales are important, it shows who actually wants your product
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
I see where you're coming from, so let's put numerical chart position aside and let's focus strictly on albums sold.
Having been Black Friday weekend, and having just come off an era with 4? #1 singles and what many consider to be her biggest era of her career why didn't Rihanna sell at least over 300K in the US? Her #1 singles were here, she's one of the most famous celebrities, and her first single off the album is currently #1.
The only plausible answer I can come up with is ... Rihanna's brand doesn't have the pull her #1 single's would lead one to believe. This is especially shocking if you consider she's on her 6th album.... if she hasn't established her brand now.. when will she?
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Also, Black Friday brought it record numbers in consumer spending.
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Originally posted by Mélina
+1. Idk what's not to understand.
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Right. I'd rather have people purchase my full body of work, rather than just the appendages.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
I see where you're coming from, so let's put numerical chart position aside and let's focus strictly on albums sold.
Having been Black Friday weekend, and having just come off an era with 4? #1 singles and what many consider to be her biggest era of her career why didn't Rihanna sell at least over 300K in the US? Her #1 singles were here, she's one of the most famous celebrities, and her first single off the album is currently #1.
The only plausible answer I can come up with is ... Rihanna's brand doesn't have the pull her #1 single's would lead one to believe. This is especially shocking if you consider she's on her 6th album.... if she hasn't established her pull now.. when will she?
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As a Rihanna fan I've accepted that she's NOT gonna be a huge first week seller so long as she continues to release an album on a yearly basis. Again, building anticipation and buzz for an album is VERY important. Most Americans don't buy albums period anymore, the chances of them consistently buying albums from the same artist every year, is slim to none. She continues to mesh her eras (GGGB, RR, LOUD, TTT) and that not only takes away from any hype but it confuses people. LOUD is still very much fresh in peoples minds and the fact that they didn't invest much into promoting the album doesn't help at all. That being said, it's obviously a strategy that Rihanna/Def Jam have decided to pursue in hopes of having longevity with sells. I don't look at it as a bad thing. I think people are so used to #1 albums as the blueprint to a successful album/era that anything outside of that is looked at as a disappointment, but could it be that Rihanna/Def Jam are using a different blueprint to success?? If the sales are ultimately rolling in on a YEARLY basis, then why should they be concerned with having the title of a #1 album?
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Originally posted by Cheriah
This is how comparisons are normally done in general international finance.
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Apparently not since that chart is an official ranking from IFPI 
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Originally posted by Cheriah
The European market has the edge. The US is one of the largest countries in the world and cannot be compared to smaller countries in terms of markets.
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On top of that your size argument is an irrelevant reach quite honestly. It's definitely comparable considering. 1) There are countries larger than the US whose music markets are nowhere near as massive 2) Japan is the second biggest music market in the world and it's definitely not the largest place by any means.
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Originally posted by Cheriah
In this industry, talking that talk, like publicity, good or bad, is always a positive.  |
Agree!
But it's important to have a #1 album! Idk why exactly but it just is!!!!
But not having one and saleing millions like Rihanna is also important!
It looks good in the books if you have a #1, but not having one isn't they big of a deal unless your a big flop.
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Member Since: 4/15/2011
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Right. I'd rather have people purchase my full body of work, rather than just the appendages.
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This exactly. 
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Member Since: 6/15/2009
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Originally posted by Mélina
Last I checked First Love was still the #1 album on the all time chart.
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She's had an amazing peak and will be remembered but its become evident with the extremely underwhelming performance of SCV2 that she's fading and instead of trying to fix things she's going back into hiding again. Either way this is off-topic and I'm not a Utada hater.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Nicole
Because it's a sign of your starpower. Longevity is nice but it's achieved through hit singles, not the pull that your name has.
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Not true.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by csybeyking
Nicki Minaj originates from Trinidad. However, there's no doubt she's an American artist. As with Rihanna, I don't care how many times the Navy says it the world recognizes her as an American artist. It takes more than the occasional Rude Boy, Man Down or Pon De Replay to be a Carribean act. She's not referred to in any publications as anything other than an American act. The US Award shows dont refer to her as an International act. So to call her a foreign solo artist is foolery.
Why wouldn't I only focus on the US?? Thats the point of this thread, no?? The Worldwide markets are even more fickle than the US public...look at the Rated R era compared to LOUD then compare LOUD to GGGB...If I'm not mistaken GGGB sold 2.5 in the US and 5.5 million internationally...LOUD apparently sold 1.5 in the US and 3.5 internationally...Rated R sold 1 million in the US and I think the same internationally...it takes virtually nothing for the international markets to release non-native artists...thats why you see Beyonce doing more album promo internationally this era...because she can sell an album with just her name in the US
After 6 albums and still being able to collect number ones, people should be afraid to release the same week as Rihanna but instead people are saying "Oh, Rihanna's releasing this week? All I have to do is push 220k and I'm a shoe-in for #1"
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Nicki's case is difference. She moved to America when she was 4, was educated there, acclimatized there ect. She speaks with an American accent and reps Queens, NY, in her music
Rihanna, Born and raised in Barbados, only came to America at age 16 to start a music career. She reps Barbados in every thing she does, is the official Barbadian cultural ambassador, speaks with a heavy Bajan accent, her family still lives there and she is there often when she has a break. Reputable music or news publications/orgs i.e Rolling Stone, MTV, VH1, BBC, CNN never refer to her as an American artist, it is always "Bajan recording artist'. There is no part of Rihanna that is American. Why are you trying to dispute this fact?
Your final tallies of Rihanna's albums are grossly under estimated but I won't go into that in this thread.
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Originally posted by Britneyfan09
She's had an amazing peak and will be remembered but its become evident with the extremely underwhelming performance of SCV2 that she's fading and instead of trying to fix things she's going back into hiding again. Either way this is off-topic and I'm not a Utada hater. |
A hiatus could be the perfect way to fix things. Mariah is a perfect testament to this.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
I see where you're coming from, so let's put numerical chart position aside and let's focus strictly on albums sold.
Having been Black Friday weekend, and having just come off an era with 4? #1 singles and what many consider to be her biggest era of her career why didn't Rihanna sell at least over 300K in the US? Her #1 singles were here, she's one of the most famous celebrities, and her first single off the album is currently #1.
The only plausible answer I can come up with is ... Rihanna's brand doesn't have the pull her #1 single's would lead one to believe. This is especially shocking if you consider she's on her 6th album.... if she hasn't established her brand now.. when will she?
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The album that went to #1 didn't sell 300k either. Sit.
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Originally posted by Cas
The album that went to #1 didn't sell 300k either. Sit.
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You missed the whole point of that post. 
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Also, Black Friday brought it record numbers in consumer spending.
Right. I'd rather have people purchase my full body of work, rather than just the appendages. |
And I'm pretty sure Record Labels agree.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Mkay, so I've decided how I feel about this whole albums thing. I've been incredibly delicate beforehand on how I actually feel about the significance of a #1 album in terms of the US.
The number of albums one has in the US is important, of course, being the world's biggest music market by far. However, the debut doesn't mean everything. However, it does mean something. It represents how well an artist is able to garner buzz quickly. It shows that they can quickly go from a nice artist to the person everyone's talking about. Rihanna's more... consistently talked about, but less than the typical spurts that other pop girls are at. This is very much caused by her label's poor planning. This is also caused by her lack of effort while performing on TV, making it impossible to have a memorable performance like VMAs 2009's Paparazzi or the iconic Slave 4 U performance. One who can gather a huge debut week does this: They can make buzz fast. Think about it. Adele's 21 got a nice debut cause Rolling In The Deep was beginning to slay. Chris' F.A.M.E. was followed by a shocking twist when Look At Me Now, a rap song, dominates charts, Born This Way... well, nuff said on that album. Most #1s have something that makes that era stand out, and it's not just a reflection on the artist. It's a reflection of their performance on making sure people know. That's why Loud peaked at 3 and went back to that peak 7 weeks later. People didn't know about it like they should've and in response slowly started to discover. It's all poor planning. If she had a new album every 18 months or 2 years, she'd get that big debut effect. Unfortunately, Def Jam has noticed a pattern it will never break away from, because if it's not broken and gives them a ton of money, why on Earth would they want to fix it?
So US album debuts are important. They really are. They allow, to a certain extent, people to realize who's IT and who's got it in America, with the exceptions of Holidays sometimes quirking up sales and stuff. Longevity, however, defines where someone is musically, cause while many can debut at #1, not all of those individuals can sell 1,000,000 in a matter of 3-4 months. Same goes for WW in terms of both debut sales and longevity. I personally feel that longevity is more important cause I think on a long term scale, but I acknowledge that the album's debut, even in one country itself, can represent a great deal about the artist.
tl;dr - US #1 albums hold more meaning than most of the Navy admit, but worldwide impact and longevity on both domestic and worldwide scales are significantly more important. A lot longer than I expected. 
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