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News: Study Involving Mugshots Reveals Racism
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The CLOCKING on the first page
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
Yes, a person is not born believing stereotypes about black people they learn them from the media and from people around them. The fact that he tried to imply that we should sweep things like the the rug and exposing the truth causes more hate more or less proved my point.
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1) You are saying everyone from Argentina is racist/discriminatory. You are being prejudiced yourself for assuming that, and invalidating his point because of his geographic location. I'm sure you learned your stereotypes about Argentinians from the media and people around you, too.
2) He agreed with the study ("We know this is all true.")
3) He is not implying that blacks should sweep their perceived racism under the rug -- in fact, he is advocating for more transparency and more studies to be done. What is wrong with doing the same experiment, except with blacks in the audience, and whites on screen? Is that sweeping things under the rug?
4) Supposedly, the study shows that whites are racist towards blacks. Why can't there be a study seeing if the inverse is true? Blacks racist towards whites? If blacks aren't, the study will show that. If they are, the study will also reveal that. What is the matter with exploring a possibility? Or are we trying to remain in the notion that only whites can be racist towards blacks, and not the other way around?
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Originally posted by KevinKDC
I wouldn't say this is racism. I would more say it's generalization. I know a lot of black people who get a bit scared when they walk alone at night and a black man passes them by. Some of you would see it's a form of self hatred or **** but it isn't. And it's also not racism when a white person does it. Because if there were more white people in prisons people would be accusing a white person instead of a black person doing something illegal.
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Wow I can't believe you're saying sh*t like this like you know all the facts and have the nerve to say people are fishing for racism. As if the race discrepancies in the prison system isn't due to cops unfairly targeting and sentencing minorities way more than they do white people. And yes it is racism to believe that every black person you pass is going to be some violent criminal because it leads to innocent people getting killed and everyone saying it's understandable because black people are scary, or people crossing the street/clutching their bags, or cops stopping and frisking black people.
Please pick up a book or something you ignorant f**k
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Originally posted by sychung4650
4) Supposedly, the study shows that whites are racist towards blacks. Why can't there be a study seeing if the inverse is true? Blacks racist towards whites? If blacks aren't, the study will show that. If they are, the study will also reveal that. What is the matter with exploring a possibility? Or are we trying to remain in the notion that only whites can be racist towards blacks, and not the other way around?
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The only reason why this study exists is because blacks are overrepresented in Prisons... Not white people. Nobody makes these studies for fun. There has to be a reason and a hypothesis.
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Originally posted by sychung4650
4) Supposedly, the study shows that whites are racist towards blacks. Why can't there be a study seeing if the inverse is true? Blacks racist towards whites? If blacks aren't, the study will show that. If they are, the study will also reveal that. What is the matter with exploring a possibility? Or are we trying to remain in the notion that only whites can be racist towards blacks, and not the other way around?
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sis it doesn't matter if black people are 'racist' against whites, they can't oppress us on a large scale like we can/do to them. There'd be no point of doing that type of study. When white people are racist against blacks, black people get harsher sentences and thrown in jail unfairly. When black people are racist against whites, nothing happens because they are not the ones in power. Please open your eyes and look around you instead of going on this white victim crusade.
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This got horridly messy, as usual.
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Originally posted by sychung4650
1) You are saying everyone from Argentina is racist/discriminatory. You are being prejudiced yourself for assuming that, and invalidating his point because of his geographic location. I'm sure you learned your stereotypes about Argentinians from the media and people around you, too.
2) He agreed with the study ("We know this is all true.")
3) He is not implying that blacks should sweep their perceived racism under the rug -- in fact, he is advocating for more transparency and more studies to be done. What is wrong with doing the same experiment, except with blacks in the audience, and whites on screen? Is that sweeping things under the rug?
4) Supposedly, the study shows that whites are racist towards blacks. Why can't there be a study seeing if the inverse is true? Blacks racist towards whites? If blacks aren't, the study will show that. If they are, the study will also reveal that. What is the matter with exploring a possibility? Or are we trying to remain in the notion that only whites can be racist towards blacks, and not the other way around?
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He said that studies like this create more hate implying that he was not ok with the study and it should not have been done and this fat should have not been highlighted. I'm not saying that Argentinas are all racist the comment was made in jest, calm down. If black people are allegedly racist towards whites then 400 yrs of mistreatment vs not liking someone else's skin color makes that much less outrageous. Feel free to conduct the opposite study though. I'll be awaiting the results.
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Originally posted by Javan
That's not what this study is about. This study shows that white people want more black people in prison. They think it's a sign of a working justice system.
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That is a scewed conclusion. The study does show that if white people see less black people being convicted, they are more inclined to agree with easing up the law enforcement. This can mean many things.
One thing it always has in common is racism. This is racist by definition. But it doesn't mean that they see more black people in prison as a sign of a working system. That is one step further than what the study researched. You are drawing your own conclusion based on this study, but it's not what the study concludes. Nor does it mean that white people want more black people in prison. It could mean both of these things but you don't have enough data to prove this.
Looking at the study, the only thing it proves is that many white people are still prejudiced towards black people. Aka many white people are still racist. This study did not research in which way white people are prejudiced.
Also @ you telling me I'm not taking responsibility because I changed the title: I have nothing to take responsibility for. I didn't see my name mentioned in the article and I don't feel like the shoe fits either. I simply changed a title because it was misleading and not at all representative of the article at hand.
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Originally posted by KevinKDC
I wouldn't say this is racism. I would more say it's generalization. I know a lot of black people who get a bit scared when they walk alone at night and a black man passes them by. Some of you would see it's a form of self hatred or **** but it isn't. And it's also not racism when a white person does it. Because if there were more white people in prisons people would be accusing a white person instead of a black person doing something illegal.
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Generalizing based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.
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Originally posted by Guernica
sis it doesn't matter if black people are 'racist' against whites, they can't oppress us on a large scale like we can/do to them. There'd be no point of doing that type of study. When white people are racist against blacks, black people get harsher sentences and thrown in jail unfairly. When black people are racist against whites, nothing happens because they are not the ones in power. Please open your eyes and look around you instead of going on this white victim crusade.
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Sure whites may be in more positions of power than blacks.
However, on a personal level, and a societal level as a whole, it breeds mistrust. Why shouldn't we care about just one individual black person being racist against one individual white person? (and vice versa) We shouldn't care because that white person is of a race with more power?
It breeds mistrust between blacks and whites if we disregard blacks' racism towards whites, as the opposite is already at the forefront of the general American conscious. Some people aren't comfortable disagreeing with Obama in the presence of black people. 1) That shows that white person's ignorance believing blacks all voted for Obama, but 2) It shows the mistrust that whites would think that blacks would get upset at them because they would think they're racist.
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Originally posted by sychung4650
Sure whites may be in more positions of power than blacks.
However, on a personal level, and a societal level as a whole, it breeds mistrust. Why shouldn't we care about just one individual black person being racist against one individual white person? (and vice versa) We shouldn't care because that white person is of a race with more power?
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I hate to bring about a "he started it" mentality, but I feel like a lot of "racism towards white people" is a result of the systematic and societal disadvantages that are placed upon them.
Not only that, but this is also implying that there's a strong issue of black people getting away with discrimination. If it's violent, they'll more than likely get convicted for it (as is fair, as racism is racism). They don't have a lot of other fronts to discriminate upon simply because they're not in a position to really disadvantage white people.
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Originally posted by sychung4650
Sure whites may be in more positions of power than blacks.
However, on a personal level, and a societal level as a whole, it breeds mistrust. Why shouldn't we care about just one individual black person being racist against one individual white person? (and vice versa) We shouldn't care because that white person is of a race with more power?
It breeds mistrust between blacks and whites if we disregard blacks' racism towards whites, as the opposite is already at the forefront of the general American conscious. Some people aren't comfortable disagreeing with Obama in the presence of black people. 1) That shows that white person's ignorance believing blacks all voted for Obama, but 2) It shows the mistrust that whites would think that blacks would get upset at them because they would think they're racist.
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Girl mistrust already exists and you can thank the slave owners, political powers that enacted the Jim Crow laws, law enforcement that racially profile, etc... for that.
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People (white people in this case) are inherently selfish and want things that benefit them, in this case if they are aware that the justice system won't target them and instead will target black people they will agree to it. What's new?
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Originally posted by Guernica
sis it doesn't matter if black people are 'racist' against whites, they can't oppress us on a large scale like we can/do to them. There'd be no point of doing that type of study. When white people are racist against blacks, black people get harsher sentences and thrown in jail unfairly. When black people are racist against whites, nothing happens because they are not the ones in power. Please open your eyes and look around you instead of going on this white victim crusade.
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But then you should probably worry more about people with million of dollars since they are the ones with power
It is true that whites have more positions of power but Inequality exist for all people in the world and it doesn't respects race
Equality is not gained by Inequality ( in this case this selective study)
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Originally posted by Digitalism
But then you should probably worry more about people with million of dollars since they are the ones with power
It is true that whites have more positions of power but Inequality exist for all people in the world and it doesn't respects race
Equality is not gained by Inequality ( in this case this selective study)
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It is a fact that white people have majority of the power in the world. It is a fact that white people can easily oppress people of other races and get away with it. The same cannot be said the other way around. When millions of white people are getting thrown in jail because they were targeted for their race by non white people, I will worry. Until then, no.
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Originally posted by Phoenetic
Looking at the study, the only thing it proves is that many white people are still prejudiced towards black people. Aka many white people are still racist. This study did not research in which way white people are prejudiced.
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What is there to prejudge tho? They know that all of the pictures they were shown were of criminals. Why are they twice as likely to be against palliating laws when they think it gets more black people locked up? Obviously because they link things the way they are.
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Originally posted by Guernica
It is a fact that white people have majority of the power in the world. It is a fact that white people can easily oppress people of other races and get away with it. The same cannot be said the other way around. When millions of white people are getting thrown in jail because they were targeted for their race by non white people, I will worry. Until then, no.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Originally posted by Javan
What is there to prejudge tho? They know that all of the pictures they were shown were of criminals. Why are they twice as likely to be against palliating laws when they think it gets more black people locked up? Obviously because they link things the way they are.
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No, that's not "obviously". The study didn't research the motivation for their choice, so you cannot conclude what their motivation was. For example:
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
People (white people in this case) are inherently selfish and want things that benefit them, in this case if they are aware that the justice system won't target them and instead will target black people they will agree to it. What's new?
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Could be a motivation too. Primal instinct kicks in when they see that there are more white people being convicted and they realize they are white. People "like them" (which is where they would be considered racist) are being convicted and so they want to protect themselves.
Like I said, whatever the case this shows there's clearly still a lot of racism. My point is simply that we we cannot know the motivation behind this racism. We can't say it's because they "want all the black people in jail". That's not a right conclusion to draw.
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Originally posted by sychung4650
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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2 wrongs can't make a right, because 2 wrongs can never equal eachother.
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It amazes me how no matter what when the issue of racism is brought up against People of Color people always ignore the inequalities and want to instead reprimand those who have to deal with the crap on a daily basis for being upset about it.
Instead of fighting to make racism seem like it's equal across all board, because that is a load of barnacles.. How about instead you help try and stop it completely.
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