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Discussion: Did bitterness towards whites propel Trump?
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
"Being sent back to the dark ages" clearly wasn't literal. Obviously we're not going to go back to the days of slavery and cotton picking. But I didn't even say poc in the first place, I said minorities.
Rolling back gay marriage is a very realistic possibility. So is deportation. Stop and frisk. Giving police more freedom in an environment that's already hostile toward non-whites. These are all key points in Trump's plan that they voted for.
In addition to that, it's not just the possibility of silencing us through legislation. It's the precedent that has been set. There's already been an increase in hate speech/crime and it hasn't even been a week since he won. It's silencing through scare tactics and violence. All because they feel threatened by us and for some reason think that we're taking away their jobs and their liberty.
People not voting is an entirely separate problem in itself.
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I might be too optimistic, but I think anything Trump does can be reversed soon enough, and that he may not do dumb stuff like repealing gay marriage (as it has actually become way more popular, soon half of Republicans may "not mind" it).
But like I said about scare tactics, the one voice people will always have in a Democracy is their vote. If they feel they are not being heard, they will speak with their ballots. At least I'm hoping they'll do this next time around.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Alt right is not half as dangerous as the regressive left because they are the ones that divided the entire left while the right stood strong and united. The entire progressive movement suffered a heavy blow and this should be the wake up call, but instead watch them get even more bitter and vocal
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so what you're saying is that entire situation is the result of the left underestimating how low the moderate right would be willing to go?
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Alt right is not half as dangerous as the regressive left because they are the ones that divided the entire left while the right stood strong and united. The entire progressive movement suffered a heavy blow and this should be the wake up call, but instead watch them get even more bitter and vocal
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Can't really say that for sure.
There were so many cracks going on with the right during this election period and if they stand strong where it really matters aka through a term is yet to be seen.
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I mean I'll be first in line to the show to watch the straight white male demise but it's pretty lazy to say Trump won only out of bitterness against whites or racism for that fact.
Sure a lot of his supporters are the stereotypical racist hicks but statistics have shown that a lot of 'normal' weatlhy people have voted for him as well, now that's something that bothers me tbh.
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Originally posted by Communion
I'm sorry, but no.
We need to stop pretending "SJW culture" is a thing.
We need to stop using certain words like "SJWs" as pejoratives to dismiss the overall societal problems in America and stop this reframing.
White people didn't have a PC problem.
White people didn't have a problem with "SJWs".
White people had and have a problem wth confronting the reality that very specific and important pillars of white supremacy in American culture must, and can realistically, end in their live times.
That's why they cling to their guns.
That's why they blame undocumented workers for "stealing" their jobs and not businesses for exploiting these poor workers.
That's why they see diversity as harmful and threatening to their White Identity.
If anything, this election only showed NEOLIBERALISM must die.
We must stop coddling these people. We need to end neoliberalism and have real, direct conversations about white supremacy and hatred in this country. Watered-down and diluted "pragmatic social change" got us nowhere.
If Republicans thought this election would make SJWs "ease up", they're going to be disappointed n realizing this will only make Leftists point to their neoliberal Democrat peers, say their methods are not working, and have a generation of progressives launch the most aggressive and direct discourse and platforms we've ever had about white supremacy, bigotry, misogyny, etc.
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i mean...in the end, i'd say the "SJW" caricature is a real thing that happens on a significant scale in some internet communities (like people that say they're triggered by TV shows or people that are spending their days promoting "fictionkin rights" or whatever), but the problem lies in that people have started labeling anyone who is any more liberal as them as an SJW. which kind of compounds with the fact that they associate anyone there in the "SJW" label. like earlier i was in a political debate over trump with someone, and i said the discussion was bothering me and i wanted to end it, and he made fun of me being "triggered" by it. i didn't even use that word or anything similar to it. it's like everyone associates anyone on the internet with two "teams", either tumblr warrior loser or alt-right racist trash, and when you show any sympathy towards one view, you automatically are in that "team" in their mind.
i'm not sure if i'm just rambling it's 6 AM okay
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Originally posted by accelgors
i mean...in the end, i'd say the "SJW" caricature is a real thing that happens on a significant scale in some internet communities (like people that say they're triggered by TV shows or people that are spending their days promoting "fictionkin rights" or whatever), but the problem lies in that people have started labeling anyone who is any more liberal as them as an SJW. which kind of compounds with the fact that they associate anyone there in the "SJW" label. like earlier i was in a political debate over trump with someone, and i said the discussion was bothering me and i wanted to end it, and he made fun of me being "triggered" by it. i didn't even use that word or anything similar to it. it's like everyone associates anyone on the internet with two "teams", either tumblr warrior loser or alt-right racist trash, and when you show any sympathy towards one view, you automatically are in that "team" in their mind.
i'm not sure if i'm just rambling it's 6 AM okay
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No, you're absolutely right about this.
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Originally posted by Cain
I mean I'll be first in line to the show to watch the straight white male demise but it's pretty lazy to say Trump won only out of bitterness against whites or racism for that fact.
Sure a lot of his supporters are the stereotypical racist hicks but statistics have shown that a lot of 'normal' weatlhy people have voted for him as well, now that's something that bothers me tbh.
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Originally posted by accelgors
but you're arguing a point that isn't the one he's trying to make. he never said these people were rational in their views regarding this, but the point is that the views still exist.
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The views exist, yes. And they're completely unwarranted and come from a place of irrational hate and fear of "the other".
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Alt right is not half as dangerous as the regressive left because they are the ones that divided the entire left while the right stood strong and united. The entire progressive movement suffered a heavy blow and this should be the wake up call, but instead watch them get even more bitter and vocal
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Originally posted by FBF
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? Don't act like they haven't been running the world since the beginning of time. Now that it's time for everyone to have equal chances, opportunities and lives they want to act like it's an attack against them personally.
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Originally posted by accelgors
i mean...in the end, i'd say the "SJW" caricature is a real thing that happens on a significant scale in some internet communities (like people that say they're triggered by TV shows or people that are spending their days promoting "fictionkin rights" or whatever), but the problem lies in that people have started labeling anyone who is any more liberal as them as an SJW. which kind of compounds with the fact that they associate anyone there in the "SJW" label. like earlier i was in a political debate over trump with someone, and i said the discussion was bothering me and i wanted to end it, and he made fun of me being "triggered" by it. i didn't even use that word or anything similar to it. it's like everyone associates anyone on the internet with two "teams", either tumblr warrior loser or alt-right racist trash, and when you show any sympathy towards one view, you automatically are in that "team" in their mind.
i'm not sure if i'm just rambling it's 6 AM okay
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It's people propped up and helped by institutions finding a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card from having to tackle and question these unfair systems that benefit them. Privilege is a hell of a drug and the mind will compartmentalize as it needs to in order to justify and make sense of what the person understands to be true.
*someone tackles anti-blackness*
"Ughh ****ing SJWs!!"
*someone mentions rape*
"lolz ****ing cucks, grabbing a girl's breast is not sexual assault"
*someone mentions homophobia*
"But we should bring in Syrian refugees? Who hate gays? ****ing libtards"
Once you give privileged people a scapegoat - very young people on a platform ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT (tumblr) just grasping social justice and applying it to what they know (tv shows, movies, music, etc.) - they'll forever use that to discredit real issues. It's the ego of white supremacy's way of justifying itself. "White supremacy isn't a thing - it's madeup by man-childs on tumblr dot com with their 3 genders. I am right. I am strong. I am a white male and I am valid".
It's not rebellion.
It's not "common sense rejecting SJWs".
It's bigotry and specifically white supremacy trying to survive on its last legs centuries in.
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Originally posted by Cain
I mean I'll be first in line to the show to watch the straight white male demise but it's pretty lazy to say Trump won only out of bitterness against whites or racism for that fact.
Sure a lot of his supporters are the stereotypical racist hicks but statistics have shown that a lot of 'normal' weatlhy people have voted for him as well, now that's something that bothers me tbh.
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Why?
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hhkahsdakjh not you trying to blame everyone EXCEPT the whites for Trumps win
its okay though they will suffer the most in the rural areas while the big cities go on with technology and jobs. Poor them.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Alt right is not half as dangerous as the regressive left because they are the ones that divided the entire left while the right stood strong and united. The entire progressive movement suffered a heavy blow and this should be the wake up call, but instead watch them get even more bitter and vocal
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Let me correct you by saying the Alt right will become even more dangerous under Trump. The regressive left is over. They're weeping and they can only blame the DNC so much for their own behavior. They divided democrats and then wouldn't back anyone but the guy they wanted to appoint. Because history has been kind to protest votes (See: Nader's abysmal favorability numbers.) Watching them crumble, as the media refuses to get on their side anymore, will be a sweet little victory for us who actually voted to stop Trump
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Originally posted by Cain
I mean I'll be first in line to the show to watch the straight white male demise
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And this is exactly why this thread was made.
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Originally posted by Cain
Now that it's time for everyone to have equal chances, opportunities and lives they want to act like it's an attack against them personally.
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Tea
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This was one of the many reasons yes. Also I never understood why SJWs come for white people in the first place when countries with Sharia law exist that throw acid on women if the get raped and throw gays off buildings. But yes let's come for the racist whites Black people don't want to address the homophobia in their community either, why don't any of the gays here speak out on that? The truth is you become enamoured with a anti-white anti-male anti-straight liberal narrative and most level-headed whites werent gonna just accept these ideals as fact.
But this is just one factor, Hillary was a corrupt candidate and the Democratic Party got exposed on a bi-weekly basis as a corrupt political faction. And yet she still somehow was a perfect candidate for you guys? A bunch of white-hating anti-nuclear family gays rallying towards a criminal who killed Benghazi in his sleep. An establishment shill, backed up by pop stars and celebrities and the entire liberal media, it was seriously giving dystopian teas to most people. SJWs needed to get BTFO, and I'm glad they did.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Let me correct you by saying the Alt right will become even more dangerous under Trump. The regressive left is over. They're weeping and they can only blame the DNC so much for their own behavior. They divided democrats and then wouldn't back anyone but the guy they wanted to appoint. Because history has been kind to protest votes (See: Nader's abysmal favorability numbers.) Watching them crumble, as the media refuses to get on their side anymore, will be a sweet little victory for us who actually voted to stop Trump
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A mess, a kii, a cackle
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Originally posted by Cain
? Don't act like they haven't been running the world since the beginning of time. Now that it's time for everyone to have equal chances, opportunities and lives they want to act like it's an attack against them personally.
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So what ? I'm a french white, France had colonies in Africa. Do you want me to fail and be miserable ?
You can strive for equality without the need to put anyone down, even groups of people that are notorious for having caused inequality in the first place, if you want to exclude those groups you'll never be able to achieve equality. And it wouldn't be fair because not every straight man thinks like this.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
And this is exactly why this thread was made.
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They don't even hear themselves anymore. They throw this stuff out so casually they don't even notice anymore how what they post is an exact mirror of the things the people they demonise say.
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