[sadnews]

it wasn't radio ban. it was clear channel(iheartradio) ban.
I'm A Slave 4 U wasn't affected by that or much. it hit the #15 pop radio. Overprotected was just flop.
the low hot 100 position is due to no CD,cassette release. (they probably did it to get album sales)
and it was end before me against the music, which got clear channel airplay right away, hit the #11 pop radio.

Oops!... I Did It Again era, pop radio peak
Oops!... I Did It Again - #1 (only vinyl release)
Stronger - #17
Lucky - #9 (only vinyl release)
Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know - flop

Britney era, pop radio peak
I'm a Slave 4 U - #15 (only vinyl release)
Overprotected - #37 (only vinyl release)
I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman" - #21
Boys - #32 (only vinyl release)
Me Against the Music - #11

also she was just losing her popularity overall.

UK sales
Oops!... I Did It Again: 480,000
Lucky: 240,000
Stronger: 210,000
Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know: 65,000
I'm A Slave 4 U: 205.000 (#83 of 2001)
Overprotected: 165,000
I'm Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman: 170,000
I Love Rock N' Roll: 80,000
Boys: 90,000

also I'm A Slave 4 U was #99 of 2001 year end chart in AUS.
it wasn't that much chart hit outside US too.

[PoisonPill]

Originally posted by Tristan

@ the radio ban excuse again

I understand that you're uninformed, but that doesn't change the facts. Britney's management declined not to partner with Clear Channel for her DWAD tour, so in response as Clear Channel controlled most radio stations in the country, imposed an airplay blacklist on her singles.

[Nemo]

Nobody thinks it's a flop, even the people saying that it is know that it isn't. Chart peak positions don't mean a thing in the end. If they were all that mattered, Make Me is bigger than Slave and HIAM & IWG are bigger than Oops & Toxic.

[Bounce]

Because it's a flop and the radio ban is just a myth

[Bounce]

Originally posted by dirrtydiana

Everyone in the world was affected by 9/11. Everyone's music suffered that week.

[umich]

It's not a flop. The video was huge and it was talked about for months. It's best known for her transition from the teeny bop days.

Originally posted by dirrtydiana

Everyone in the world was affected by 9/11. Everyone's music suffered that week.

That's not true.

In spite of its release coinciding with the 9/11 attacks, The Blueprint sold over 420,000 copies in its opening week, becoming Jay-Z's fourth consecutive album to reach number one on the Billboard 200 chart. It was certified double platinum as sales stand at over two million units in the U.S. Sales as of February 2012 stand at 2.7 million.

And if I'm not mistaken, IZZO (H.O.V.A.) was a pretty big hit for him during that time.

[slw84]

Originally posted by Anticipating

Slave didn't get a physical release + she was banned from the radio at the time. It still went Top 10 everywhere except the US and NZ.

This

Originally posted by mdnazn

The radio ban has been disproved many times.

Receipts proving the contrary?

Originally posted by PATTAR

OMG Oops I Did It Again also only went to #9 while going #1 around the world.

They out to get Britney from the beginning.

I actually started chart watching Billboard at that time and #1 pop songs with no or little radio support on other formats without a cd single release peaked at #9 or 10

Billboard hot 100 at that time 1999-2005 were 75% radio airplay 25% single sales

[slw84]

Originally posted by umich

It's not a flop. The video was huge and it was talked about for months. It's best known for her transition from the teeny bop days.
And if I'm not mistaken, IZZO (H.O.V.A.) was a pretty big hit for him during that time.

To start, I don't agree with anyone using 9/11 as an excuse.
that wasn't the issue
however, Jay'z album was a bit of an underperformance at that time as well but for different reasons than he mentioned.

Originally posted by PoisonPill

I understand that you're uninformed, but that doesn't change the facts. Britney's management declined not to partner with Clear Channel for her DWAD tour, so in response as Clear Channel controlled most radio stations in the country, imposed an airplay blacklist on her singles.

This.
Britney and her team chose to get more money because at the time she didn't need radio to sell albums
Even in her first two eras she was played much more than her 3rd era but she wasn't a top 10 staple.

They'd play her first 2 or 3 singles. The first in heavy rotation, the 2nd and 3rd in medium rotation nad paid her 4th singles dust.

At that time, she didn't need radio which is why her team opted for more money with concert west or AEG or whatever which was non Clearchannel and the ban was in effect until late 2003 when they decided to go with Clearchannel for the Onyx hotel tour which benefited Toxic from getting airplay.

Even if the lift happened before MATM I still think that song is the pits and would have underperformed either way
Luckily toxic saved it.

Originally posted by Nemo

Nobody thinks it's a flop, even the people saying that it is know that it isn't. Chart peak positions don't mean a thing in the end. If they were all that mattered, Make Me is bigger than Slave and HIAM & IWG are bigger than Oops & Toxic.

I think peaks matter but they don't determine influence, impact and the level of icon of a song.

I mean #2 album from Shania twain went 20x platinum. Best selling female album of all time in the US.

#2 peaking you're still the one by Shania is the most known crossover country pop song of all time.

As is How do i live? by le ann rimes which peaked at #2.

In the end, Billy rae cyrus achy breaky heart is known and went #1 but not as much as the #2 hits.

[dirrtydiana]

Wow, I think I just lost a little respect for everyone who doesn't see the impact 9/11 had in the entire world, not just music.

OT: it was a flop chart wise but it proves charts don't matter at all.

[AvrilLaQueen]

Originally posted by dirrtydiana

I'm sure the guests are sick of you running to every Britney thread to post negatively about her.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the ban was real. Why do you think the Britney era had so many videos and remixed singles? They were using a little thing called MTV for promotion since radio didn't support. Ever heard of MTV?

Her music started to chart again with toxic, a pop song in a sea of urban and hip hop mainstream music dominated by usher, 50 cent, etc, when the ban was lifted. But I'm wasting my time, y'all were probably not around at that time.

Cloch ha

[Mystic Boy]

It was a major flop back in the day and far from iconic please stop the delusion

[PrettyHurts]

who cares it's remembered

[Vespertine]

This + Dirrty's low peaks are always shocking to me If you had asked me before joining ATRL, I would've assumed they were #1s.

[slw84]

Originally posted by Mystic Boy

It was a major flop back in the day and far from iconic please stop the delusion

We are not the ones sounding delusional though.
It is iconic and wasn't a major flop.

Most people who don't follow the charts actually thought it performed better than it did.

It was known
It's still known.

People don't know whether a song has a physical CD single that it impacts their rank.
People didn't know how important it was to go through clear channel for sponsoring.

Slave for you's peak proves that it doesn't have to go top 10 to be remembered.

How many people remember hold it against me which debuted at #1?

[Nano]

Originally posted by Bounce

Because it's a flop and the radio ban is just a myth

Stop pulling ******** out of your ass.

January 22, 2002
The Honorable John Ashcroft
U.S. Attorney General
Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington DC 20530

The Honorable Michael K. Powell, Chairman
Federal Communications Commission
The Portals II
445 12th Street SW
Room 8B201
Washington DC 20554

Dear Attorney General Ashcroft and Chairman Powell:

I write to express my serious concern about vertical and horizontal integration in the radio, television, and concert promotion industries. Specifically, I am concerned about allegations that consolidation of these industries by Clear Channel Communications, Inc. has negatively affected recording artists, owners of sound recording copyrights, consumers, advertisers, and competitors in the radio and television industries. I would like to know whether your agencies have investigated the allegations detailed below, and if not, would encourage you to do so.

According to numerous press reports, as well as first hand accounts by affected recording artists and copyright owners, Clear Channel’s consolidation of the radio and concert promotion industries has had a variety of negative repercussions on recording artists, copyright owners, and consumers. It has been reported that Clear Channel has “punished” recording artists, including Britney Spears, for their refusal to use its concert promotion service, Clear Channel Entertainment, by “burying” radio ads for their concerts and by refusing to play their songs on its radio stations. The consolidation of the radio industry also lends growing support to persistent allegations that record companies often must pay radio stations to play the music of their artists.

http://web.archive.org/web/200312251...el_letter.html (House.gov, archived with the Wayback Machine in 2003)

To: Clear Channel Communications
We, the undersigned, wish to ask Clear Channel Communcations to give artists a fair deal and not diminish their airplay on Clear Channel's monopoly of radio stations simply because the artist has chosen not to use Clear Channel's SFX Entertainment as a concert promoter. Britney Spears, one of the most popular artists of the 21st century, has suffered diminishing airplay on Clear Channel's stations ever since she chose Concerts West to promote her fall 2001 arena tour. There seems to be no apparent lack of demand for Spears, as her CD "Britney" was certified for sales of 4 million copies by the RIAA within a month of its initial release, making it the 4th highest selling album of the year. Spears' songs also show up regularly on nightly radio station countdowns and MTV's Total Request Live. There's clearly an audience for her music and the country's largest radio conglomorate should accordingly give her a fair amount of radio airplay.

http://web.archive.org/web/200206051.../petition.html (A petition on Petitiononline.com, archived in 2002)

[Eternium]

Mess @ the delusionals running in here to claim Clear Channel doesn't radio ban There was a court case, you can find documentation on Google, there are thinkpieces about it, etc.

I can't believe people could ever be that dense. It doesn't strike you as odd that JIVE held off on so many singles until January 2004 (Toxic and Yeah! being the most notable)?

[makeme]

#27 peak with the follow up single peaking at #86 and the album still sold 5 million in the U.S and debuted with 745,000 copies.

[Jet]

It was a flop, as was OIDIA and Toxic. Britney really only had 2-3 hits during the 00's.

And there was no radio ban, the army made that up to cope with the flopping singles.

[slw84]

Originally posted by Vespertine

This + Dirrty's low peaks are always shocking to me If you had asked me before joining ATRL, I would've assumed they were #1s.

I was shocked because 2002 was when teen pop died and urban pop was the thing.

But people were turned off by the message and the visual

Originally posted by dirrtydiana

Wow, I think I just lost a little respect for everyone who doesn't see the impact 9/11 had in the entire world, not just music.

OT: it was a flop chart wise but it proves charts don't matter at all.

Well 9/11 had a major impact on the entire world. I agree but I don't see how it had a major impact on Slave for you's peak and I'm not being funny.

I started looking at the billboard charts in 1999 so I was aware of it.

Slave for you was teased in late August before her MTV diary was aired

2001 MTV vmas were the week of Labor day (back then it was the first week of September because i remember her 2000, 2001 and 2002 performances were always talked about the first week of school)

The video came out towards the end of September even though the song was released a day or two before the VMAs.

Songs like Hero by enrique iglesias, Mariah's Hero and Whitney star spangled banner took over the airwaves but the real issue was that

Britney and team looked out for more money vs going with clear channel sponsorship for the DWAD tour.

So radio couldn't not play the hottest act out. So they day parted it meaning they'd play the song mainly in the evenings and during times where the audience is less and some stations didn't play it at all.

I remember radio and records had add dates etc.

It peaked the week after her album release because she was promoting and the song jumped from 40 to 27 on the charts.

No single in physical form,
No clear channel sponsor for tour
Day parting
And she wasn't the most played artist on radio to begin with. Her first BOMT/Crazy/Oops and sometimes got a lot of play but she didn't need radio so her team never invested payola into the stations to make sure she was played nonstop.

9/11 did change the charts and a few songs were played Enrique benefited the most because Hero was released at the perfect time.

It did change the charts but I don't think to the extent that Slave for you would have gone top 10.

Too many factors went against it.

[snowpiercer]

It is a flop