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Stats: MJ - 225,4 million albums sold | UWC album sales
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
BTW, Janet's sales as listed are off by about 10 or 11 million album (at least)... but y'all carry on....
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy
Britney was global and has a handful of memorable songs, something Janet doesn't have. That isn't shade, it's a fact as shown by her catalogue sales, spotify stats and recurrent music videos views
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Getting defensive because you thought I shaded Britney. 
I mentioned Britney because Janet is one of her biggest inspirations. Despite how the media tried to make her only a "Madonna clone" simply because they are both white and blonde.
Please don't tell me your using Vevo views to gauge whether someone has memorable songs or not?
The continued... 
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Originally posted by Anticipating
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Like I said, anything to deny Janet...
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
Getting defensive because you thought I shaded Britney.
I mentioned Britney because Janet is one of her biggest inspirations. Despite how the media tried to make her a only "Madonna clone" simply because they are both white and blonde.
Please don't tell me your using Vevo views to gauge whether someone has memorable songs or not?
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Am i being defensive or am I stating a fact that you can't deal with? lol. We all know Britney was inspired by Janet's work?
and of course recurrent views can show well remembered a song/music video is (so do catalogue sales and spotify stats hihihihi).  forgotten songs get barely any views and it's the opposite for songs that are remembered. Common sense????
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy
Am i being defensive or am I stating a fact that you can't deal with? lol. We all know Britney was inspired by Janet's work?
and of course recurrent views can show well remembered a song/music video is (so do catalogue sales and spotify stats hihihihi). forgotten songs get barely any views and it's the opposite for songs that are remembered. Common sense???? |
I didn't shade Britney or say anything against her at all. You made it about Britney because you thought I was shading her.
Considering that Vevo and/or Spotify didn't exist at all when Janet and her contemporaries were in their prime. That's not a good gauge at all on what's memorable (A gauge of what's popular NOW, yes).
If that's the case, "Gangnam Style" is bigger than any song Janet, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Britney Spears, etc EVER put out... COMBINED!
Sure you don't want to re-think your statement? 
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
I didn't shade Britney or say anything against her at all. You made it about Britney because you thought I was shading her.
Considering that Vevo and/or Spotify didn't exist at all when Janet and her contemporaries were in their prime. That's not a good gauge at all on what's memorable (A gauge of what's popular NOW, yes).
If that's the case, "Gangnam Style" is bigger than any song Janet, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Britney Spears, etc EVER put out... COMBINED!
Sure you don't want to re-think your statement?
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I don't care if you were shading Britney..
I don't compare songs that peaked in the digital age to songs that peaked in the physical age - that would be unfair. Artists like Cyndi Lauper are more streamed and remembered than Janet and that's a more than fair comparison
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
So, now she's not only local, but she doesn't have memorable songs.... And you have Britney in your avi...
The REACH. The GRASP at anything to deny Janet.
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What I was trying to say is that Janet might be global during her time in the 80s (???) but none of her stuff is really iconic or memorable that would leave any impact for new generation that's why this generation doesn't know it unlike Madonna, Celine, Mariah, and Whitney who have memorable songs and impact.
I knew there was an artist named Janet because Britney cited her as one of her influence at the beginning of her career. If Britney never claimed that, I would never know Janet existed.
I have never heard a song from her and never saw her music video at all. I never heard people talk about her too At least in my country.
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
I didn't shade Britney or say anything against her at all. You made it about Britney because you thought I was shading her.
Considering that Vevo and/or Spotify didn't exist at all when Janet and her contemporaries were in their prime. That's not a good gauge at all on what's memorable (A gauge of what's popular NOW, yes).
If that's the case, "Gangnam Style" is bigger than any song Janet, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Britney Spears, etc EVER put out... COMBINED!
Sure you don't want to re-think your statement?
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No Vevo is the best thing to use to consider what is iconic and memorable when it comes to old music music/videos from 80s, 90s, and early 00s. That's why MJ her brother has a lot of songs that reached 100m views. Artists like Bon Jovi and Aerosmith had at least a song passes 100m views and they peaked before youtube era too. You know why? Because they made impact and memorable things.
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Originally posted by Bie
What I was trying to say is that Janet might be global during her time in the 80s (???) but none of her stuff is really iconic or memorable that would leave any impact for new generation that's why this generation doesn't know it unlike Madonna, Celine, Mariah, and Whitney who have memorable songs and impact.
I knew there was an artist named Janet because Britney cited her as one of her influence at the beginning of her career. If Britney never claimed that, I would never know Janet existed.
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The first paragraph is simply untrue, and the second one is just unfortunate.
Your ignorance doesn't determine whether or not her music is memorable or iconic (which it is).
There are COUNTLESS artists who list Janet as an influence; Britney wasn't the first or the last.
Also, the reason the current generation is unaware of her us because of Nipplegate at the Superbowl and the blacklisting that followed/the fact that her last album was released in between Blackout and Circus.
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Originally posted by Shaliydah88
The first paragraph is simply untrue, and the second one is just unfortunate.
Your ignorance doesn't determine whether or not her music is memorable or iconic (which it is).
There are COUNTLESS artists who list Janet as an influence; Britney wasn't the first or the last.
Also, the reason the current generation is unaware of her us because of Nipplegate at the Superbowl and the blacklisting that followed/the fact that her last album was released in between Blackout and Circus.
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Wait, she had an album out in late 00s? 
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Lmao the superbowl excuses again
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Originally posted by Bie
Wait, she had an album out in late 00s? |
She released 4 albums throughout the decade. This is why you shouldn't speak on things you don't know about.
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Originally posted by Shaliydah88
She released 4 albums throughout the decade. This is why you shouldn't speak on things you don't know about.
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Omg this is a stronger proof to prove why she was very local 
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy
I don't care if you were shading Britney..
I don't compare songs that peaked in the digital age to songs that peaked in the physical age - that would be unfair. Artists like Cyndi Lauper are more streamed and remembered than Janet and that's a more than fair comparison |
If you didn't think I was shading Britney, you wouldn't have made that comment trying to bait Janet vs Britney battle.
Like, Madonna and few of her other contemporaries, Most of Janet's biggest hits aren't even on and/or available worldwide on VEVO.
I mean, if that's your argument, Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" which has nearly 130 million views is bigger and more memorable than ANY Madonna song (including "Vogue" on her official Youtube channel)
Again, sure you don't want to re-think your statement?
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Member Since: 6/30/2012
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
If you didn't think I was shading Britney, you wouldn't have made that comment trying to bait Janet vs Britney battle.
Like, Madonna and few of her other contemporaries, Most of Janet's biggest hits aren't even on and/or available worldwide on VEVO.
I mean, if that's your argument, Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" which has nearly 130 million views is bigger and more memorable than ANY Madonna song (including "Vogue" on her official Youtube channel)
Again, sure you don't want to re-think your statement?
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GJWHF is a classic and is bigger than any madonna song, i see no lies
Also congrats janet 70 million+ is very impressive
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Originally posted by Bie
No Vevo is the best thing to use to consider what is iconic and memorable when it comes to old music music/videos from 80s, 90s, and early 00s. That's why MJ her brother has a lot of songs that reached 100m views. Artists like Bon Jovi and Aerosmith had at least a song passes 100m views and they peaked before youtube era too. You know why? Because they made impact and memorable things.
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So Bon Jovi, Aerosmith, etc have more memorable songs than Madonna considering none of videos (even those on her official channel) have reached 100 million views, AND "Gangnam Style" remains the biggest song in pop music history. Glad we covered that.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
If you didn't think I was shading Britney, you wouldn't have made that comment trying to bait Janet vs Britney battle.
Like, Madonna and few of her other contemporaries, Most of Janet's biggest hits aren't even on and/or available worldwide on VEVO.
I mean, if that's your argument, Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" which has nearly 130 million views is bigger and more memorable than ANY Madonna song (including "Vogue" on her official Youtube channel)
Again, sure you don't want to re-think your statement?
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Nope because Girls Just Want To Have Fun IS more remembered than most Madonna songs, but Madonna actually has classics whereas Janet doesn't.
Why would I want to rethink my statement when you've just proven my point that Janet is forgotten, was never a global monster and has no remembered songs whereas her peers have plenty?
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy
Nope because Girls Just Want To Have Fun IS more remembered than most Madonna songs, but Madonna actually has classics whereas Janet doesn't.
Why would I want to rethink my statement when you've just proven my point that Janet is forgotten, was never a global monster, has no remembered songs whereas her peers have plenty?
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Originally posted by Lucyyyyyyyyy;28410263[B
]Nope because Girls Just Want To Have Fun IS more remembered than most Madonna songs[/B], but Madonna actually has classics whereas Janet doesn't.
Why would I want to rethink my statement when you've just proven my point that Janet is forgotten, was never a global monster and has no remembered songs whereas her peers have plenty?
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Not just most Madonna song...more remembered than ANY Madonna song, based on VEVO/Spotify and your statement than Vevo/Spotify is a gauge of how remembered songs are.
Also, that would make Bon Jovi and Aerosmith BOTH more iconic than Madonna. Along with Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston,Celine Dion...all being more significant than Madonna based on your criteria.
Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" is also more memorable than any Madonna song.
Rick Astley... CULTURAL ICON!!! 
I guess Janet isn't in bad company as she joins Madonna with songs that aren't memorable, according to you.
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