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Stats: MJ - 225,4 million albums sold | UWC album sales
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Originally posted by Aerosol
The local argument kind of goes against what some of you are trying to say about Janet's career. In light of these figures, by all means, insist that she is local! All the more reason for you to congratulate her for reaching these sales figure with just ALBUMS despite her being "local." Some of ATRL's faves don't have these stats with albums PLUS singles despite being "global" and having the advantage of one-click purchases without having to leave the house.
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That, and Janet also focused on movies and worldwide tours. She notoriously took breaks. She could of pushed album after album like celine, whitney, and mariah but she took her time and built acclaimed eras. All with more R&B than pop which was not as accepted overseas
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Originally posted by NewRihannaStan
Not trying to knock Janet because she was successfull but I thought she had an album up in the 20 million range
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People argue the Janet. album pushed that but it's up in the air.
I'd say the Rhythm Nation album had more chance of it.
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Great numbers for Janet  Only other Legends have sold more.
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Originally posted by FreeXone
People argue the Janet. album pushed that but it's up in the air.
I'd say the Rhythm Nation album had more chance of it.
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Definitely not. Janet sold a lot more outside the states than Rhythm Nation
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
All her sales sound pretty accurate though...maybe you can add 5-10m (like with Shakira where they have no idea how much her pre-English breakthrough stuff sold, hence they kept on changing it after people complained), but not to the point where it would take her to the next level with Mariah, Whitney, etc
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They're slightly off based on what Her label reports. Control and RN1814 both sold 14 million a piece as reported in Billboard's June 1998 issue, Acustar in 2003, and confirmed by Universal in 2009. "janet". probably shipped 20 million, I can't say it sold that much and Velvet Rope is over 10 million, both confirmed in 2009 by Universal. The only thing we don't know for sure are the first two albums, Control: Remixes/More Control", DOAD (which is reportedly over 10 million), and Janet: Remixed. We all know she isn't nearing Her peers, with the exception of Whitney have considerably more releases, but she's definitely well over 73 million.
I know many of you don't want to admit She was an international star, but I'm not surprised; people have been betting against Her since 1986. But time and time again She's proven Herself on more than one occasion. You can continue to believe she's local, when the receipts say otherwise. But I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.
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Originally posted by RichyRich
Are you guys actually sales shaming someone that sold over 70 million records? You girls need psychiatric help! Enjoy the music and keep it moving.
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Over 70 million albums. If we included records she'll be well over 100.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
"One single country ain't cutting it for me", a great lesson in how to poke holes in your own argument(s). You've come to battle, and you've already shot yourself in the foot. The comicality in not even trying is almost embarrassing. Congratulations, however, on being off to a great start in a discussion that you're already winning in terms of being informed versus being uninformed. The fact that you don't see the "genre excuse" playing an integral role in the reach of one's music tells me more about your ignorance than I think I should know. If genre weren't an issue, Country, Tejano, J/K-Pop, and Punjabi would have global phenoms. But they don't. But I don't expect you to understand this, as evident by your posts. Skate around the thin ice all you please, but as Janet said, "don't act like you don't know the truth...". Peaks and certs are one way to judge popularity, as is tour gross, influence on generations, and longstanding effects on artists are as well, of which Her receipts are, again, bountiful. Not to mention her peaks, certs, and other stats are highly commendable as well.
But yes, back on topic. Congrats to Janet. 73 million units is commendable. Although Her label has already confirmed other figures for Her, we must appreciate the work of Mediatraffic for their efforts. Be well.
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So other than that there's nothing else to proof her so called "unparalleled dominance" in the African continent? Why am I not surprised? the irony of you talking about shooting oneself in the foot lol.  Another member already posted her peaks, which are kinda embarrassing. Excuse me if I don't wanna waste my time screen-shooting her minimal certifications and other stats to please you. As I said, I'm confident you already know them by heart. If we go by your genre logic then I guess there have been thousands of global phenomenons, good to know. Her tours weren't even that impressive since almost all the dates were held in the US, and when comparing her attendance to that of REAL phenomenons she pales in comparison painfully, even more so outside of the US, but then again DO YOU.
Like, several members have already pointed out, this was a direct comparison between her and several acts who have enough to back up their status as GLOBAL phenomenons, FACTS not claims of IMPACT!1!! by deluded stans. I never said she wasn't popular enough in few countries to score a couple of top 10 hits or do a couple of concerts decades ago. But being slightly popular or slightly successful is very different from being a global phenomenon, I don't know why that's so complicated for you all to grasp, guest it's just you all in denial.
And talking about her "IMPACT!!!1!!" (which let me add is highly overrated by her stans)...
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63% of the acts listed in there are from the US and 88% from anglophone countries AND only 7 of them, so I guess reducing it to "major" and "anglophone" is more accurate but since when few "major countries" equals to a global phenomenon? And I guess you didn't even bother to read the sources, some of them are ridiculous as ****.
"Shooting oneself in the foot" you said? This gif suddenly seems very appropriate. 
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Being one of the top 10 best-selling female artists WW is not reason enough to classify someone as a global phenomenon? Rolland 
And didn't we used to have arguments about whether Christina or Britney was more global (kii) and you labeled Christina global despite her peak being smaller than Janet's?
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Originally posted by Eternium
Being one of the top 10 best-selling female artists WW is not reason enough to classify someone as a global phenomenon? Rolland
And didn't we used to have arguments about whether Christina or Britney was more global (kii) and you labeled Christina global despite her peak being smaller than Janet's? |
Argh, not you again. Why are you so obsessed with me? It's creepy at this point. 
I am not even calling Janet local, I am just saying what she has achieved isn't enough to be on par with other acts who were indisputable global phenomenons at some point, she pales in comparison at every single aspect hence why I don't consider her one. Yes, she was popular enough to score some mild hits in some countries, mostly anglophone countries and sell a great amount of albums (again mostly thanks to the US). But a real global phenomenon, aka taking over the entire world causing a commotion and driving an entire generation crazy? Not at all.
What the **** does Xtina have to do in here anyway? At least try to hide your obsession. But NO, guess you're confusing me with someone else. Britney had bigger and more success across the globe than Xtina overall, I have not a single problem accepting that. And this isn't even about being global or local, for the umpteenth time. Xtina never was a global phenomenon either.  Once again your poor reading cromphension skills making a fool of you, what's new? 
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Originally posted by Rolland
Argh, not you again. Why are you so obsessed with me? It's creepy at this point.
I am not even calling Janet local, I am just saying what she has achieved isn't enough to be on par with other acts who were indisputable global phenomenons at some point, she pales in comparison at every single aspect hence why I don't consider her one. Yes, she was popular enough to score some mild hits in some countries, mostly anglophone countries and sell a great amount of albums (again mostly thanks to the US). But a real global phenomenon, aka taking over the entire world causing a commotion and driving an entire generation crazy? Not at all.
What the **** does Xtina have to do in here anyway? At least try to hide your obsession. But NO, guess you're confusing me with someone else. Britney had bigger and more success across the globe than Xtina overall, I have not a single problem accepting that. And this isn't even about being global or local, for the umpteenth time. Xtina never was a global phenomenon either. Once again your poor reading cromphension skills making a fool of you, what's new? |
Sis  You started conversations with me trying to troll Britney. How quick you are to forget.
Only 7 female artists outsold her. I guess compared to those 7 she's not a global phenomenon but compared to the millions of other female artists that have released, I'd say she is.
My post had nothing to do with Xtina and everything to do with our former conversations. I just don't understand how you can drastically change your opinion after weeks of trying to call me "stupid" (ironically you tried it again with this post) and then trying to demean other people for holding an opinion that would be rather similar to your previous beliefs (i.e. an artist can be a global phenomenon with Christina Aguilera's level of success).
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Originally posted by Eternium
Sis You started conversations with me trying to troll Britney. How quick you are to forget.
Only 7 female artists outsold her. I guess compared to those 7 she's not a global phenomenon but compared to the millions of other female artists that have released, I'd say she is.
My post had nothing to do with Xtina and everything to do with our former conversations. I just don't understand how you can drastically change your opinion after weeks of trying to call me "stupid" (ironically you tried it again with this post) and then trying to demean other people for holding an opinion that would be rather similar to your previous beliefs (i.e. an artist can be a global phenomenon with Christina Aguilera's level of success). |
We're talking global phenomenons here, that means males, females and groups. Most of Janet's sales come from the US and anglophone countries. If high album sales makes you a global phenomenon then I guess Utada Hikaru is one as well.
Only I have never changed my opinion since I have NEVER addressed Xtina as a "global phenomenon" cause she is not and never will be one. If you can bring proof of me stating she is one, then bring it, I'll wait. This isn't about an act being local or global, I already stated what a global phenomenon is above, feel tree to read it slow and carefully in order for your brain to process it successfully this time.
Your desperation is painful to endure and hilarious at the same time. Spare me the disgust of having to deal with you again, thanks in advance.
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Janet sold 73M albums? 
Imagine if she was global
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So Rolland has gone from calling Janet local, to now calling her anglophone
Next it will be "US+ a English speaking countries + a couple of Asian countries"
The 7th biggest selling female artist of all time remains unbothered by desperate pitiful stans on a social platform
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Originally posted by Rolland
So other than that there's nothing else to proof her so called "unparalleled dominance" in the African continent? Why am I not surprised? the irony of you talking about shooting oneself in the foot lol. Another member already posted her peaks, which are kinda embarrassing. Excuse me if I don't wanna waste my time screen-shooting her minimal certifications and other stats to please you. As I said, I'm confident you already know them by heart. If we go by your genre logic then I guess there have been thousands of global phenomenons, good to know. Her tours weren't even that impressive since almost all the dates were held in the US, and when comparing her attendance to that of REAL phenomenons she pales in comparison painfully, even more so outside of the US, but then again DO YOU.
Like, several members have already pointed out, this was a direct comparison between her and several acts who have enough to back up their status as GLOBAL phenomenons, FACTS not claims of IMPACT!1!! by deluded stans. I never said she wasn't popular enough in few countries to score a couple of top 10 hits or do a couple of concerts decades ago. But being slightly popular or slightly successful is very different from being a global phenomenon, I don't know why that's so complicated for you all to grasp, guest it's just you all in denial.
And talking about her "IMPACT!!!1!!" (which let me add is highly overrated by her stans)...
63% of the acts listed in there are from the US and 88% from anglophone countries AND only 7 of them, so I guess reducing it to "major" and "anglophone" is more accurate but since when few "major countries" equals to a global phenomenon? And I guess you didn't even bother to read the sources, some of them are ridiculous as ****.
"Shooting oneself in the foot" you said? This gif suddenly seems very appropriate.
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Yes, the gif is very appropriate in a number of situations:
1. You having nothing to say when I challenged you to compare the sales of Her peers' R&B albums to their Pop albums.
2. You thinking peaks and certs is the only determinant of popularity. Kylie has more top 10 hits across several European countries than Whitney, Celine, and Mariah. Is she more global than them?
3. You still ignorantly thinking comparing two or more artists can measure one artist's popularity.
4. You being presented with artists around the globe who have been touched by Her and your only rebuttal is the sources. Is an artist speaking about their influences "more valid" if reported by CNN than Fox News? What a stupid counterargument. 
5. You calling into question Her touring. Of course more dates are in the US. The US is more densely populated. Common sense isn't....well you know the phrase. Never mind all of Her international dates being sold out (arenas and stadiums), not to mention all of which aren't listed.
6. "Slightly popular" doesn't get an artist several top ten hits in that countries or sell out dates in that country multiple times across three decades.
Keep trying though.
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Rolland
The scalps
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The funny part is that the people who are saying she's local weren't even alive when she was in her prime. They get there information from WIKIPEDIA and based that off of her success, so now it's cute to say she's local, but they have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
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Originally posted by PrinceMichaelFan
The funny part is that the people who are saying she's local weren't even alive when she was in her prime. They get there information from WIKIPEDIA and based that off of her success, so now it's cute to say she's local, but they have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
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If she was not local, then she must not have something memorable at all because I know songs from Madonna, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, but not her.
Most people on here were 00s generation and Janet really had nothing impressive at all since late 90s I guess.
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Originally posted by Bie
If she was not local, then she must not have something memorable at all because I know songs from Madonna, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, but not her.
Most people on here were 00s generation and Janet really had nothing impressive at all since late 90s I guess.
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So, now she's not only local, but she doesn't have memorable songs.... And you have Britney in your avi...
The REACH. The GRASP at anything to deny Janet.
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BTW, Janet's sales as listed are off by about 10 or 11 million album (at least)... but y'all carry on....
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Originally posted by ThatOtherFan
So, now she's not only local, but she doesn't have memorable songs.... And you have Britney Spears as your avi...
The REACH. The GRASP at anything to deny Janet.
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Britney was global and has a handful of memorable songs, something Janet doesn't have. That isn't shade, it's a fact as shown by her catalogue sales, spotify stats and recurrent music video views
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