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Discussion: Why Is Britney Always Snubbed?
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
As a fan, I've never regarded Britney as a talented vocalist. That's not what she's about... but since when are The Grammy's based around talent? They are literally voted on by people in the industry
No shade, but it makes sense that Beyonce has so many Grammy's because she has so many people on her side. When you have sixteen big name producers on a record that went #1, as opposed to a #1 by a one producer who is budding into the industry, you have exponentially more people submitting your name for that award. Plus, you have Matthew Knowles who has an entire label as his command to vote as he please... and I've experienced that first hand. When I interned for TKO, who does marketing for Music World Gospel, Matthew flat out requested access to her online voting registration information so that his interns could go in and votes as they pleased.
...and it's really not shade. I've been an open Bey fan for years and though I don't necessarily praised everything she does, I think she's more than deserving of each Grammy she possesses. I just think people hold that Grammys to a higher standard than other awards, but it's really no more practical than a high school election.
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Any advantages Bey had for working with big names also applies to Britney, and then some.
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Originally posted by Eternium
She got too successful on her first release. Her label didn't need to buy her Grammys and the likes because she came out of the gates with a 14x platinum, #1 album. Her contemporaries, on the other hand, did solo singles for soundtracks to try and gain traction and all but failed. They resorted to the likes of Grammies/payola/etc. to secure their spot.
Ultimately it's ironic that people argue over Grammies validating their fave's credibility since it's a cheap promotional tactic used to give their fave a boost in their sales, whereas it's more admirable to build your career and success without the shady dealings of "award shows" like the Grammies.
"Her" one Grammy win was a cheap spot to launch Bloodshy & Avant to top producers (which they deserved, lbr) and to try and get her to stop boycotting the Grammys.
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BTW I don't think Britney ever truly boycotted the Grammy Awards. I'm pretty sure they had that stupid rule about only performing if you were nominated or something and eventually she was banned from performing there for something. I forget how all that goes.
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Originally posted by QueenCarrie
Wasn't she boycotted by radio too during most of her career?
I guess they just didn't like her. Britney constantly getting snubbed and yet she remains an icon. Only the true princess of pop
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Note taken, but I still feel like there's a certain popularity advantage she has over other R&B acts.
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Please do. It shows her impact. Being an R&B Queen and crossing over and being noted as the reigning Queen of Pop by many. Who else can?
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Originally posted by dinorel
to this date there are some artists that have never won an American music award like P!nk or Xtina , there are artist that have never won a Grammy like Bjork, Jennifer Lopez or Avril Lavigne, etc ,etc.
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Bjork is really the only one from that list who should win a Grammy to be honest.
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
But Rihanna has plent of Grammy's and she hardly has a great voice, nor do her credits indicate that she took charge of the writing process rather than being listed as a co-writer for adding adlibs.
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1) She doesn't have many that are attributed to her alone
2) She does have a good voice and can sing well live
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
...but is talent necessary? Taylor Swift wins writing awards all the time, and the stuff she write's is incredibly elementary. If you ask me, it's more about appeal, which Britney has continuously proved that she has.
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Taylor's lyrics are way more superior than almost everyone in mainstream, she writes her lyrics, composes her melodies and co-produces a lot of her music. The difference between Taylor and others is that she is the only writer in most of the songs she has released. Other popstars rely on writers who have a long experience in crafting hits, and most of the time it's not just one or two writers. Yet they most of the time don't even come close to Taylor's work. She's a very good writer who wrote hits since she was 13. Who in the mainstream scene deserves the writing awards more than her? Who wrote an album alone and received very positive reviews like her? She wrote Speak Now alone and almost no recent pop artist topped the metacritic score it has.
If you think her writing is "incredibly elementary", you should give her albums a chance.
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Originally posted by swissman
Bjork is really the only one from that list who should win a Grammy to be honest.
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What I'm trying to say is that there are way more top artists that have less awards than Britney or haven't accomplished all the shows yet.
Britney has everything, Grammy, American music award, Billboards, VMAs, World music awards, Hollywood walk of fame induction , etc.
I don't think she is "snubbed" (if that was the case she wouldn't have all the awards), I think she is just not such an award heavy weight , thats all.
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Hello!
Diana Ross never won a Grammy...
until they buckled and gave her a lifetime Special Merit blah blah blah something or other in 2012.
You really could look at 50 to 60 percent of these trophies as completely arbitrary accolades for a brief moment in time.
I mean:
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
But Rihanna has plent of Grammy's and she hardly has a great voice, nor do her credits indicate that she took charge of the writing process rather than being listed as a co-writer for adding adlibs.
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When did I say that rihanna deserved her grammy awards either?? There is no need to bring her in this discussion. Along with the fact that half of rihanna's grammy awards come because of the song she was featured on.
A lot of winning an award has much to do with your competition in the category your nominated in. I don't think Britney deserved an award for best pop vocal performance or pop vocal album. Hence why she lost in those categories and in the best new artist category which she didn't deserve to win again. I stand by my stance Britney did not deserve the awards she was nominated for hence she got paid dust by the grammy's.
I'm pretty sure she has won plenty of other awards and has recognition she will be fine
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Originally posted by BeyingBeytter
Please do. It shows her impact. Being an R&B Queen and crossing over and being noted as the reigning Queen of Pop by many. Who else can?
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I always laugh when people compare Rihanna to Beyoncé because she has more success in singles, because Bey really paved the way for her. It's hilarious. Beyoncé has really broken many boundaries by crossing over to pop never losing her core R&B audience. The last female artist to do it was Janet, but by the time Bey is Janet's age she'll have tripled her accomplishments... not just tangible accomplishments, but talents as well.
Rihanna's extremely talented, but she's an "it" girl, which is my point. Why these award shows seem unforgiving to Britney for not being a vocal powerhouse, when someone like Rihanna has no trouble sweeping. It doesn't make sense to me... especially when Britney's had some of the biggest pop songs rounding out the physical music era.
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Originally posted by dinorel
I don't think she is "snubbed" (if that was the case she wouldn't have all the awards), I think she is just not such an award heavy weight , thats all.
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Basically. And there's nothing wrong with it.
She still has a highly enviable career, especially from 1998-2003. People would kill for that run.
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Originally posted by Bahjat
Taylor's lyrics are way more superior than almost everyone in mainstream...
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I had to stop reading here. I'm sorry dear.
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I also think of artist like Regina Spektor, who is constantly snubbed by the Grammy's even though she's a largely well acclaimed artist.
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Because Britney Jean Spears doesn't buy her nominations or awards. There's a reason why
Jay Z has nine nominations this year with such an absolutely INSIPID and critically
trashed album as "Magna Carta Holy Grail." He's paying for those nods.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Vin
Because Britney Spears doesn't buy her nominations or awards. There's a reason why
Jay Z has nine nominations this year with such an absolutely INSIPID and critically
trashed album as "Magna Carta Holy Grail." He's paying for those nods.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
BTW I don't think Britney ever truly boycotted the Grammy Awards. I'm pretty sure they had that stupid rule about only performing if you were nominated or something and eventually she was banned from performing there for something. I forget how all that goes.
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The queen commanded us to "**** the Grammys" and rightfully so. Her disappearance from there, even when "winning" an award, was rather notable for a long period of time.
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Originally posted by elliotis19
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My fave is actually an icon. Don't make me drag you, for your own sake.
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
I always laugh when people compare Rihanna to Beyoncé because she has more success in singles, because Bey really paved the way for her. It's hilarious. Beyoncé has really broken many boundaries by crossing over to pop never losing her core R&B audience. The last female artist to do it was Janet, but by the time Bey is Janet's age she'll have tripled her accomplishments... not just tangible accomplishments, but talents as well.
Rihanna's extremely talented, but she's an "it" girl, which is my point. Why these award shows seem unforgiving to Britney for not being a vocal powerhouse, when someone like Rihanna has no trouble sweeping. It doesn't make sense to me... especially when Britney's had some of the biggest pop songs rounding out the physical music era.
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Rihanna has Jay-Z's label, Matthew's label and Kanye's label voting for her.
It's no secret that Jay-Z, Kanye West, Rihanna and Beyoncé hold over 60 Grammys together because their record labels hold a monopoly on the voting system.
I just don't get how some of the American people are stupid enough to buy in to the Grammys whereas South Koreans have no trouble recognizing their awards shows (which are set up to completely reflect ours) are BS mulled by insiders.
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Originally posted by Vin
Because Britney Jean Spears doesn't buy her nominations or awards. There's a reason why
Jay Z has nine nominations this year with such an absolutely INSIPID and critically
trashed album as "Magna Carta Holy Grail." He's paying for those nods.
...Vin
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Who exactly do these people pay? Do they approach the Grammys themselves or do they send cheques to everyone of the 150+ experts who screen the nomination submissions? Do they then contact the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences members to make sure they are nominated? After that do they send more cheques to the hundreds and maybe thousands of Recording Academy members who vote for the winners? Or do they just cut to the chase and go to the accounting firm in charge of counting votes? You seem to know a lot about this so please let me know what goes on when people buy awards.
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Because there are more deserving artists
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Originally posted by swissman
Who exactly do these people pay? Do they approach the Grammys themselves or do they send cheques to everyone of the 150+ experts who screen the nomination submissions? Do they then contact the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences members to make sure they are nominated? After that do they send more cheques to the hundreds and maybe thousands of Recording Academy members who vote for the winners? You seem to know a lot about this so please let me know what goes on when people buy awards.
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I'm curious also.
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