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Discussion: Why did Heartbreaker drop so fast?
Member Since: 1/19/2012
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
I find it funny the one stanbase who knows about this recently, keeps making topics about it. The nerve. 
Anyways, had no promotion, no performances, no advertisements, JUST uploaded to VEVO, NEVER sent to radios, etc. Did you expect it to reign with nobody but his stanbase knowing about it?
It's not like it's an ACTUAL LEAD SINGLE for an ACTUAL ALBUM, so idk why people expected it to debuted at #1 or smthn. |
All of this. It went to #1 in a few hours purely with the power of his stanbase and stayed there for more than a day (having a huge lead on Lorde at some point). Not many artists can do that.
Also, it's not like they want it to stay #1/top 10 for weeks. They're releasing a new song this Sunday at midnight.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by NE.
Girl, can you read? 
Do you know the difference between a lead single and a promo song?
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Read what? When did this become a discussion about the difference between a lead single and a promo song?
the ONLY reason I even brought Applause into this is because a Bieber fan thought that it would be productive to drag that into the conversation. Don't try to drag other artists when your fave is performing in a way that you can't cope with.
Goodnight.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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How are you gonna make a point that using Twitter is surely to help promote a song, but then get mad at us when we bring up examples of that not working?
You came here for an argument, then ran when facts were provided. You are the only one upset, because you keep getting mad everytime someone brings up an example of your fave.
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Tuneless, forgettable song + people strongly dislike Bieber now outside of his devoted but dwindling fanbase. And of course there's the 1D factor.
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Cause people are moving on to new guys like 1D or whatever.
It's a shame cause the song isn't really awful.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by NE.
So if Twitter is suffice promo, why couldn't she get Applause to hit #1 on iTunes?
The fact that GaGa is no longer a heavy-hitter to the point that only fanbase they can start stan wars with are Beliebers. |
well as someone who doesn't really like lady gaga let me say it
twitter counts as promo
i don't get why people find that concept so complicated, tweeting to that many followers brings more people to the song
if they actually buy it or not shows how much they like it. if they don't then it won't do any better, and if they do it'll get longevity
failed promo is still promo
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Member Since: 9/1/2012
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One undeniable fact is that his public perception has dropped to a new low, and it's not like the GP loved him before. His public antics have caused him to become one of the, if not the, most hated music stars in America. The speed at which he went to #1 on iTunes (even despite it being released at midnight, where sales are lower and songs generally take longer to rise) amazed me, but the speed of his descent has amazed me even more. From #1 by a big margin to #13 in 4 days, it definitely reenforces the idea that he enjoys little-to-no support outside his stanbase.
Of course, there are other factors at play. These aren't (AFAIK) being treated as actual singles (that is, there are no videos being shot and the songs aren't being actively promoted to radio), so that plays a factor too. The song is also flat, repetitive and boring and sounds like a rejected B-side, which isn't surprising if these songs aren't going on an album and are meant to promote his movie or whatever. Still, the first solo release from Bieber in a long time, I think some (including his fanbase) expected more.
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I'm not mad, I'm not running, and I'm not here for an argument. I'm happy, I'm here in this thread, and I'm having a discussion. You can bring out all the facts that you want but another fact is that Applause is still sitting pretty at #7 right now in the top 10 of iTunes so dragging her for its performance is pointless for whatever point it is that you're trying to make. Go ahead tho gorl.
Edit: I never said it was a sure way to help promote a song, you said that. I said using twitter to promote your single is still promotion.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by accelgors
well as someone who doesn't really like lady gaga let me say it
twitter counts as promo
i don't get why people find that concept so complicated, tweeting to that many followers brings more people to the song
if they actually buy it or not shows how much they like it. if they don't then it won't do any better, and if they do it'll get longevity
failed promo is still promo
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
1. She had bigger competition.
2. It was rush released.
3. Who cares, it's still Top 10 and above Justin's song that is only days old.
4. #1 on iTunes isn't that important seeing as you can hit it and then fall off in 2 days.
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GaGa's in the top 10, the GP is buying her single.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Tuneless, forgettable song + people strongly dislike Bieber now outside of his devoted but dwindling fanbase. And of course there's the 1D factor.
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I agree!
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Originally posted by Nicole
Tuneless, forgettable song + people strongly dislike Bieber now outside of his devoted but dwindling fanbase. And of course there's the 1D factor.
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The general public is not here him as well, millions of people in the US use iTunes on the daily, yet it seems they didn't even care to check for him, the song sit at #1 for at least 48 hours and nobody besides his stanbase cared and Twitter is a promo tool in the 21st century, are people this deluded to think Twitter is worthless?
It's rather telling, I wonder if the army of teen girls will support him forever? I don't see the GP going along with him like Justin Timberlake for example.
To me it seems he ruined the momentum he gained with Believe  As Long As You Love Me and Beauty and a Beat were big pop radio hits and it looked like he finally clicked with top 40 radio audiences.
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I will agree that no promotion, radio deals and etc. makes is obvious that it won't last long. However, there are songs on the rise right now like Timber which hasn't had any promotion, music video, or performances that have been on the rise and now is working it's way into the top 10. The only promotion tool they have been using is .... TWITTER.
So the question pops up there? Is JB really fading a little bit? You can't deny that if he did this music journal thing a year ago or w/e that it would have spent all week in the top 5 until his next song release at the end of the next week.
Plus if you think this JB song won't be played on the radio then stay delusional because it's JB, the radio stations arn't dumb and will play it because he has a HUGE fanbase. If it's been uploaded to iTunes then it's being sent to radio stations.
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Why is Applause being brought up in this thread? Heartbreaker hit #1 and couldn't even manage to stay in the top 10 for three days. Applause's has been in the top 10 since its debut despite not hitting #1.
And to the question about Applause not hitting #1: She just couldn't keep up with her competition. The only competitor at the time she had was Katy, and Applause was released some hours later after Roar. It's no excuse, but the song held up well in the US.
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The song just sucks. And I doubt anything more will happen if he promotes it too.
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You guys still don't understand is that this song was meant for the fans  It is NOT a lead sing whatsoever.
Once all of the fans who wish to buy it are done it IS going to drop/sell significantly less over the next weeks. This wasn't meant to be a smash.
Trying so hard to prove a point with all these "he's fading" essays just makes you look desperate 
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Member Since: 9/1/2012
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Originally posted by NE.
I'm still waiting on an answer as to why GaGa couldn't hit #1 on iTunes with 10x the amount of nationwide promo and media exposure she had.
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Released pretty much the same day as Katy, who was coming off a huge era that ended just a year before. So Katy had the momentum, just like Gaga had the momentum when BTW was released. It's very unusual for two big pop girl to release on the same day, if Gaga had been able to release in a normal market environment, she would have went #1 in the US just as she did in the dozens of other countries she did.
But it's 60 days later and Gaga is still in the iTunes top 10, has 100M+ AI on radio, spending it's 8th week in the top 10 etc. so to try to suggest that's it's not doing well in the US is just ridiculous.
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Justin has a new song out?
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Since he is The New Michael Jackson, I expected better. But anyway.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
there's a new wigger in town
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I CACKLED. 
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