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Poll: Who killed Jon Benet Ramsey?
View Poll Results: Who do you think did it?
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Patricia Ramsey, crazed pagaent mother
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15.24% |
John Ramsey, miserable husband
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15 |
14.29% |
Burgh Ramsey, creepy brother
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58 |
55.24% |
A random stranger
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9 |
8.57% |
A family friend
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Originally posted by Jeiboy
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hmm.. i could see the father abusing her and taking it too far one night too, it's so annoying that we will never know the truth, hopefully she's resting in peace though and didn't feel 2 much
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Originally posted by freakum.
After seeing the brothers new interview he gives me the creeps it could've been him, I don't think it was the parents, he was probably jealous of all the attention she got from them.
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Basically~
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I think her brother did it .I think he woke her up, they had a midnight snack, and after he told her to wait for him in the basement while he put away the remnants of pineapple , saying they would play with their toys, grabbed that flashlight, snuck up behind her and hit and killed her. Mom and dad covered it up. Dad setting up the staged strangulation and mom writing that ridiculous ransom note and then calling the cops
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Originally posted by Frogger17
No, he wrote the note with the intention of making Patsy too scared to call the police--THAT'S why the note specifically states "Do not call the police. If I see anyone so much as talking to a stray dog, your daughter will die." His plan, according to the blog, was to get kill JonBenet, then get Patsy and Burke out of the house to "safety," at which time he'd dispose of the body and then probably call the police himself, which would provide the perfect excuse for why JonBenet's body was found in a park or a ditch--because someone went against instructions and called the police. Patsy messed this plan up when she called the police after finding the note and then calling family and friends over. Now John has no way to get the body away from the house, so he "pretends" to find it in the basement, which was where he left it in the first place until he could get it outside.
The "outsider" theory doesn't make sense, considering the ransom note was written on paper from Patsy's legal pad or whatever. Why would an intruder sneak upstairs, write a ransom note with someone's notepad and sharpie, then kill JonBenet and leave her body in the basement. Besides that, the note's ransom consists of almost the exact sum total of a bonus John received at his job or something like that.
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This make so much sense now. I believe it tbh. Her father did it.
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I saw the part 1 of the special tonight. The interviews they aired from Patsy and John are so eerie!
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Originally posted by Cupid
There's so much evidence on both sides that contradict each other.
Parents theory: How do you explain the unknown DNA in her underwear and on her body?
The fact that the DNA that was found was present in such small amounts tells us that, in all likelihood, it was either the result of an indirect transfer or came from a very old contact. Think of all the many ways in which JonBenet might have touched or been touched by someone -- a teacher, a classmate, a casual acquaintance. Think also of all the ways an indirect contact could have been made -- via a water fountain, a toy, a fall on a sidewalk or a mound of dirt, etc., etc. Once this got on her hands it could easily have been transferred to any part of her body, and certainly to her panties and longjohns.
In sum, the DNA evidence -- all of it -- means nothing. A real intruder would have left all sorts of signs of his presence, including gobs of DNA (unless he was wearing gloves), and a real intruder, as I've already argued, would not have done all the things this intruder is supposed to have done. This DNA, like all the other "intruder evidence," is simply one more red herring to be added to all the rest in a long long story of obfuscation, delusion and denial.
The boot print that doesn't match anyone from the house.
Remember, Patsy invited almost the entire neighborhood over after calling the police. That print could be anyone's.
The window that was broken and could be entered.
The window is simple: John staged it to make it look like a break-in. It'd be simple to walk around the house, kick in the window, and then walk around to the front again. The dust and spiderwebs on the windowsill were not disturbed, and there's no way anyone could have gotten in the window without disturbing them, so the John theory is the most logical.
The suitcase which was moved.
Logically, there couldn't have been an intruder if the facts are to be believed, so the suitcase in irrelevant.
The stun gun which can't be accounted for? Why stun gun, hit her over the head, then strangle her, if it was an accident gone wrong you wouldn't do all 3 of them.
A photo showing abrasions on JonBenet's body that seem consistent with stun gun marks, discovered by "master detective" Lou Smit. This "stun gun evidence" is a perfect example of the lengths to which team Ramsey has gone when constructing their mystery intruder. Since there is no conclusive evidence of any such person, it has been necessary to concoct evidence out of thin air. Anyone can take some marks from a photograph, shop around for something that seems to fit those marks, and then assert that the marks "must have been" made by that object. If Smit hadn't found a stun gun with the necessary measurements he'd have found some other object that filled the bill, something the Ramseys were unlikely to possess, such as a plumber's tool or maybe something only a dentist or optometrist might use. Anything that might prove useful in concocting a reasonable doubt defense.
All the stun gun theory proves is that Lou Smit was not operating as an objective investigator but, on the contrary, a Ramsey advocate. What's most troubling about this whole issue is the way so many reasonable people have taken this absurd theory seriously, to the point of going to considerable trouble to "refute" it. It's not worth refuting. Why bother? There is no stun gun evidence, there was never any reason whatsoever to believe a stun gun was used on JonBenet, it's just a myth concocted to manipulate public opinion.
Outsider theory: How do you explain the ransom note matching the mothers handwriting? Why leave the note on the back stairway? Why feed her pineapple and stay in the house for so long and leave the body there after all that?
As I see it, the 911 call is the crux of the JonBenet Ramsey murder, the critical point which, in this case, forces us to make a crucial choice. Very simply, if the Ramseys were collaborating to coverup the murder of their daughter by staging a phoney kidnapping, that call would never have happened. There are two components to be considered in evaluating this assertion. First, the call was made with the body still in the house, and once the police were called in, there was no longer going to be any way to safely get the body out of the house -- and once the body was found in the house, then it would be clear no kidnapping had taken place, thus completely nullifying the effect of the note. Second, by handing the police a patently phoney "ransom" note penned by either Patsy or John, the Ramseys would be handing them a potentially devastating piece of self-incriminating evidence. And if, as so many have attested, this note "screams Patsy," in both content and penmanship, then Patsy would literally have been placing a noose around her own neck by making that call.
One thing i'm certain of, is that the whole situation was handled awfully. For starters, if I woke to find my child missing and a ransom note, I would literally tear up every inch of my house to look for them, just in case they were in the house or it was a prank or something. What kind of parents wouldn't even check the basement?
The kind that knew where she was in the first place. This means Patsy wasn't involved, since she obviously believed the note that her daughter was kidnapped and thus panicked, went straight to the phone, and called the police. Patsy being involved means the body would have left the house already, since everybody (sans Burke, or maybe including Burke, if you believe the sibling-murder-coverup theory) would already know that she was dead. Therefore, there'd be no need to keep her in the basement. That means the only logical conclusion is that John himself killed her, tried to stage a kidnapping, and failed because of Patsy's phone call to police. Of course he would be the one to "find" JonBenet, since he knew the police were on their way and would find her anyway.
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Basically.
And Burke Ramsey's "creepiness" is no doubt due to social anxiety, brought on by seclusion he's been forced into all these years as a direct result of the media circus surrounding the case. I can't definitely state that he has it, but he displays all the typical behaviors of someone with social anxiety. I have it myself, so I would know better than anyone. Smiling is his "tell" where social anxiety is concerned. Mine is breaking eye contact as soon as it's made and a rush of heat coursing through my body, especially my face.
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I never thought there was much of a case, it seems so painstakingly obvious that it was the family/parents who killed her. It makes 0 sense for a ransom note to be written when the child was in the basement the whole time and there's way way way too many signs pointing to Patsy (the fact that the ransom note was in her handwriting, for example).
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Wait, I'm confused I thought someone exposed that Jon was secretly Katy Perry?
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Originally posted by HEARTCORE
I never thought there was much of a case, it seems so painstakingly obvious that it was the family/parents who killed her. It makes 0 sense for a ransom note to be written when the child was in the basement the whole time and there's way way way too many signs pointing to Patsy (the fact that the ransom note was in her handwriting, for example).
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A lot of people's opinion about Patsy's role hinges on this "fact," but the real fact is that handwriting experts can't say with any degree of certainty who wrote something vs. who didn't. They can only conclude that it is either "likely" or "unlikely" that an individual wrote the note. "Likely" is just a fancy way of saying "she can't be ruled out," but neither can John, to be honest. The only possibilities are that either John wrote the note in a way that would frame Patsy (which makes no sense to me), or that John wrote the note to look like an outsider wrote it and the "handwriting experts" were just doing guesswork and were influenced by the defense team John brought together shortly after the police began to suspect him. The intention of all these red herrings (suitcase, footprint, snow outside the window that wasn't really there, stun gun, the pineapple) is to obfuscate and have the Boulder Police Department running around with their heads cut off, which is exactly what happened.
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Girls watch part two of the special! They used a lot of testing to formulate a relatively believable theory!
Such a shame we will never know the truth
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I think it was the Santa Claus guy. Because JonBenet literally said "Santa is going to visit me two days after christmas" and she died two days after christmas (or atleast I think that was the case)and there was some proof that it could of been him.
Then again I just watched a documentary that provided enough proof that it was her brother and that the parents covered up for their son.
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Watching this special on cbs and it's obvious Burke did it. At least to me. He had hit jonbenet before with a golf club smeared feces on her bed and gifts. And these tapes of him being questioned are extremely disturbing. He seemed like he didn't give a **** about his sisters death. He was a little psycho. And I don't buy the social anxiety theory someone came up with in this thread.
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
Watching this special on cbs and it's obvious Burke did it. At least to me. He had hit jonbenet before with a golf club smeared feces on her bed and gifts. And these tapes of him being questioned are extremely disturbing. He seemed like he didn't give a **** about his sisters death. He was a little psycho. And I don't buy the social anxiety theory someone came up with in this thread.
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All of this! He had a history of violence and hated hist sister. This is why I only want one child. I've seen evil siblings can be to each other
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What this CBS did is astounding tbh , the incompetence and lack of cooperation at that time is just crazy , I firmly believe after seeing the family's gestures and how in between reacted in a very non angry way after that CNN interview , they really had a part in this killing it's either the brother and they just wanted to cover up for him !
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I always thought that one of the parents did it. Because they wereso quick to lawyer up, individually, and seemed to like being in the media limelight a little too much.
Until I saw the recent onslaught of specials and documentaries about the JonBenet murder and I'm now beginning to lean towards the brother being the killer. There is just something bizarrely off with Burke. He did it and his parents covered it up for him.
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I didn't really know a lot about this case til now but John
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I tried to watch the CBS thing but it's blocked
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It was the father. If you found a dead body in the basement, why would you pick it up contaminating the evidence? Why did he want to flee to Atlanta that very night? And new evidence suggests during the phone call, the mother forgot to hang up and you can hear her talking to someone saying, 'I called the police. Now what?' as if she's taking instructions from somebody. I hate to say this but they also found evidence of sexual abuse
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