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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Mike91
Well that would obviously have to be changed if more parties begin to rise.
And let's be honest, it's going to happen eventually. We live in a much different world from even 20 years ago. It's much easier to raise money now, get attention, build a base, etc.
With independents making up 42% of the electorate, people already hating the two options they have, etc things are obviously going to split at some point.
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Most independents are just as partisan as party members. Nothing is splitting. The truly "undecided" independent is largely a myth.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Which is false. It was not put in place b/c of something worse.
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Originally posted by Mike91
This is a lie and I really wish people would stop trying to pass it off as fact. The Clinton's were NOTORIOUS for pandering to republicans so he'd get re-elected, etc. That was basically the point of Welfare reform as well.
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How would either of you know? 
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Hillary said the policies were put into place to protect gays and acknowledged that they failed all the way back in '99 
Someone who was actually there and involved > ATRLers who think they have everything figured out.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Mike91
Well that would obviously have to be changed if more parties begin to rise.
And let's be honest, it's going to happen eventually. We live in a much different world from even 20 years ago. It's much easier to raise money now, get attention, build a base, etc.
With independents making up 42% of the electorate, people already hating the two options they have, etc things are obviously going to split at some point.
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It may happen sometime down the road but I don't see that until at least another century. The current political climate just isn't good enough.
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30,000 people?  They'll be lucky to get 1,000. And FDR park isn't even close to Wells Fargo.  |
. If these hooligans show up I don't know if I wanna go. lol
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
. If these hooligans show up I don't know if I wanna go. lol |
A few months from now they won't even be interested anymore. They'll be back to playing Call of Duty on Xbox Live or whatever it is they did before pretending to know things about politics.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Giselle
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Because I have access to google. Hillary claims DOMA was signed to prevent a constitutional amendment on marriage. However, officials in the Clinton white house have stated there was never a discussion about that. Bill signed DOMA in Fall 1996 during an election year to pander moderates.
Dick Morris, who I linked, is a Republican but he was also a Clinton official.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dic.../29/id/699664/
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
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These really are a bunch of children.
Can't wait for their HillaryIs44 moment any day now.
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Let's just imagine, hypothetically, that these protests work and Bernie somehow becomes the Democratic nominee. It's going to very hard to get some of Hillary's most loyal supporters and much of the Democratic base to vote for Bernie after the way so many of his fans have behaved. It's basically handing the presidency to Trump.
We are now in a situation where the Republican base is getting behind Trump, yet the Democratic party is in a complete divided mess.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Let's just imagine, hypothetically, that these protests work and Bernie somehow becomes the Democratic nominee. It's going to very hard to get some of Hillary's most loyal supporters and much of the Democratic base to vote for Bernie after the way so many of his fans have behaved. It's basically handing the presidency to Trump.
We are now in a situation where the Republican base is getting behind Trump, yet the Democratic party is in a complete divided mess.
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It's going to be hard to argue that Bernie was the rightful nominee when Hillary was ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote by a large margin. I don't think Bernie supporters realize how angry the Hillary side will get in response to that if that happened because they think everyone likes Bernie so it would unify the party... I would become irate, personally and I'd be encouraged to leave the party. You can't do something like that and expect everyone to go along with it.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Let's just imagine, hypothetically, that these protests work and Bernie somehow becomes the Democratic nominee. It's going to very hard to get some of Hillary's most loyal supporters and much of the Democratic base to vote for Bernie after the way so many of his fans have behaved. It's basically handing the presidency to Trump.
We are now in a situation where the Republican base is getting behind Trump, yet the Democratic party is in a complete divided mess.
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 . If that happens then...whew. Let me not. All I know is that it'll result in President Trump
Even though Bernie is destructive, cynical, and cares only about himself...I doubt he'd let Trump get elected THAT way
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I don't think I've ever posted in here, but I'm ready for this election to be over already tbh. Hillary just needs to get the nomination (which she almost has) and then beat Trump in November, which will hopefully be easy, but with the way things are going so far with this election, who knows
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I actually would refuse to vote for Bernie in the general if he wrests the nomination despite having less votes and delegates; I know this sounds hypocritical of me, but consider the following. For as much as he and his supporters have advocated a purely democratic process - for as much as they have called into question the rules, regulations, and processes of the conventions, as well as the existence of superdelegates - I think that the ultimate hypocritical, undemocratic move would be to attempt to place Bernie into the nominee position without the majority of the votes or pledged delegates. I would not stand for such things as it would prove only that his campaign and their fervor have been based on nothing democratic, nothing truly honest.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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If Bernie gets the nomination not only will he not receive my vote, but he'll be handing the presidency to Trump. If he already cannot convince the left Democratic party of his leftist ideas, what makes the Bernties think that he can appeal to the more centrists General electorate?? Along with that, unless Hillary gets indicted there is no reason for her to not get nominated. There are more characters in a tweet than the amount of delegates Hillary needs for the nom + she is far ahead in popular votes. The majority of the members of the democratic Party have spoken, let Hill be the nominee in peace and Unite so Trump doesn't win dammit
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Giselle
HIV/Aids and Malaria are killing people, girls are being forced into child marriages and getting pregnant and dying all over the world, over a hundred million girls still aren't able to go to school, the Taliban is slowly gaining more strength and power and you people are sitting her worrying about when she supported gay marriage. Not that gay marriage isn't an important issue, but there are things like, priorities.
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It's so damn annoying. And most Americans were against gay marriage in the 90s. What were the Clintons going to do, force it down our throats? This isn't a dictatorship, this isn't Saudi Arabia.
Sharia Sanders fans have no perspective whatsoever.
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So people should abstain from voting for Jill Stein even if they believe in her policies because a Trump presidency would be too risky, but you will not vote for the Democratic candidate if they happen to have lost pledged delegates and won superdelegates.
But I thought:
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
So people should abstain from voting for Jill Stein even if they believe in her policies because a Trump presidency would be too risky, but you will not vote for the Democratic candidate if they happen to have lost pledged delegates and won superdelegates.
But I thought:
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Not when he's made such a fuss over democracy and the vote count. Nope. If he wants to hold himself and others to a higher standard, he should expect to be held to it.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Not willing to have others vote for Jill Stein, a candidate they believe in, because it would be too risky to get a president Trump.
But Bernie wins by super-delegates, something I've praised and celebrated before? Nope, I'll risk and potentially get president Trump!
But don't risk having President Trump
But not when it comes to me I might do it!
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Originally posted by Damien M
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It's so damn annoying. And most Americans were against gay marriage in the 90s. What were the Clintons going to do, force it down our throats? This isn't a dictatorship, this isn't Saudi Arabia.
Sharia Sanders fans have no perspective whatsoever.
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Even most big gay rights groups weren't even really advocating for marriage until the late 2000s 
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President Sanders would also be awful, so there's also risk there.
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