[heckinglovato]

Originally posted by Retro

But like, let's abstain from voting or go for Jill, with full knowledge that this increases the chances of the sexist, racist billionaire who'd like the US to file for bankruptcy being elected. Because that will solve our problems.

This type of thinking is why third parties can't grow, third-party voters are consistently shamed when they want to vote for the "candidate who won't win and would hurt X's chances and help Y get elected!!!!!"

"Do you really want BUSH in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Kerry's chances."
"Do you really want McCain in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Obama's chances."
"Do you really want Romney in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Obama's chances."
"Do you really want Trump in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Hillary's chances."

Let it GO. If people have their faith in somebody with very little chance, then let it be, even if that person getting a good chunk of votes means it's hurting a Democrat's chance in getting the White House. People should cast their votes with conviction and they should throw their vote into the ballot box for the person they believe in, not the person they were shamed into supporting.

The Green Party receiving 5%+ of the vote this November means they start becoming eligible for federal aid and they can finally start pouring more money into campaigning and reaching out to as many audiences as possible. I'd also love for Jill to make it to the debate stage with Trump and Clinton, but we all know the corporate media would never let that happen.

[Icarus]

Originally posted by @michael

Did Cenk Uygur write this?

[ezra]

AHHHH my ****ing faves

http://kuow.org/post/donald-trump-gay-icon

Dayani said most of his friends are liberals, who first assume his enthusiasm for Trump is ironic. But his views are very much in earnest, even when he equates Trump with Lady Gaga – he said both figures make important points “in a wildly entertaining way.”

[ezra]

Originally posted by Retro

What?

Which Dem? Besides Warren, who made him look like the ass clown he is? Please do tell.

Why are posts like this allowed in here? Can we get like this with Hillary? This is not the Hillary base it's the election thread.

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Trump getting the #NeverTrumpers on his side
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/734002230441938944

Originally posted by @michael

This is so sad. I just don't understand what's happened to modern political discourse.

It's also not news when Hillary is doing it so not sure why you're acting brand new.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

This type of thinking is why third parties can't grow, third-party voters are consistently shamed when they want to vote for the "candidate who won't win and would hurt X's chances and help Y get elected!!!!!"

"Do you really want BUSH in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Kerry's chances."
"Do you really want McCain in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Obama's chances."
"Do you really want Romney in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Obama's chances."
"Do you really want Trump in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Hillary's chances."

Let it GO. If people have their faith in somebody with very little chance, then let it be, even if that person getting a good chunk of votes means it's hurting a Democrat's chance in getting the White House. People should cast their votes with conviction and they should throw their vote into the ballot box for the person they believe in, not the person they were shamed into supporting.

The Green Party receiving 5%+ of the vote this November means they start becoming eligible for federal aid and they can finally start pouring more money into campaigning and reaching out to as many audiences as possible. I'd also love for Jill to make it to the debate stage with Trump and Clinton, but we all know the corporate media would never let that happen.

No, they can't grow because they would need at least 30M votes to win a Presidential election and most people know it ain't happening. This whole "person they believe in!!!" thing is silly. There are only TWO parties (a conservative and a liberal) that can actually win. i'm not saying everyone needs to be liberal, but if you ARE liberal, it's stupid to waste your vote on someone totally not viable. Voting outside of those parties is a meaningless vanity move. Voting is about more than just hashtagging on Twitter and wearing t-shirts. There are actual results and consequences.

[Retro]

Originally posted by heckinglovato

This type of thinking is why third parties can't grow, third-party voters are consistently shamed when they want to vote for the "candidate who won't win and would hurt X's chances and help Y get elected!!!!!"

"Do you really want BUSH in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Kerry's chances."
"Do you really want McCain in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Obama's chances."
"Do you really want Romney in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Obama's chances."
"Do you really want Trump in the White House??? Welp then voting Green would hurt Hillary's chances."

Let it GO. If people have their faith in somebody with very little chance, then let it be, even if that person getting a good chunk of votes means it's hurting a Democrat's chance in getting the White House. People should cast their votes with conviction and they should throw their vote into the ballot box for the person they believe in, not the person they were shamed into supporting.

The Green Party receiving 5%+ of the vote this November means they start becoming eligible for federal aid and they can finally start pouring more money into campaigning and reaching out to as many audiences as possible. I'd also love for Jill to make it to the debate stage with Trump and Clinton, but we all know the corporate media would never let that happen.

I understand where you're coming from, but there are some years where the risk is NOT worth it - and I'll remind you that the Green Party candidate actually did cause an upset Republican victory in 2000. I don't think it's worth it this year - Trump is too much to risk.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Sanders Supporters Planning a Massive 4 Day Protest at Dem Convention

If this turns into something similar to Chicago, that's not good.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by RatedG²

She only supported DOMA because she said it was to stop the republican congress from making an amendment saying marriage is only between a man and a woman!

This is a lie, I think Rachel Maddow called her on it.

[Istan4R]

I don't understand this convention thing. Shouldn't Hillary get the nomination soon she's under 100? I know she has unpledged SDs but don't those count before the convention?

[RatedG²]

Umm third parties will never be a thing in the US. It's not designed for third parties. With America being 238 years old if a third party would be viable, it would be been elected by now. This country is always, and has always, been made for a two party system. Look at how the splitting world. Imagine there are five parties running and no one gets 270 electors, well then the house picks the president and of course the house will pick their party.

It's a moot point. And Timberwolf do you think that it'll actually happen? The chaos at Philadelphia? The dems are more...chaotic than the republicans it's scary

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Istan4R

I don't understand this convention thing. Shouldn't Hillary get the nomination soon she's under 100? I know she has unpledged SDs but don't those count before the convention?

Yeah she'll be the presumptive nominee but she won't grab it because she'll need superdelegates which don't vote till the convention. There's a tiny chance she won't be the nominee

Conversely Trump will have his nomination based purely on pledged delegates so there's no possible way for him not to be the nominee

[BlueTimberwolf]

Like I said before, these violent "protests" have been given a pass by the media and the people who tend to perpetrate it are young people who tend to be liberal. Hopefully the police keeps it in check.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Sanders Supporters Planning a Massive 4 Day Protest at Dem Convention

If this turns into something similar to Chicago, that's not good.

GOD, these people

[Giselle]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

This is a lie, I think Rachel Maddow called her on it.

It was to put something in place to appease Republicans so that they didn't do something worse. She's been saying the same thing for 17 years.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Like I said before, these violent "protests" have been given a pass by the media and the people who tend to perpetrate it are young people who tend to be liberal. Hopefully the police keeps it in check.

They tore Trump apart for this bs. Whether that was fair or not idc but the media needs to do the same for these liberals too.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by Giselle

It was to put something in place to appease Republicans so that they didn't do something worse. She's been saying the same thing for 17 years.

Which is false. It was not put in place b/c of something worse.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Umm third parties will never be a thing in the US. It's not designed for third parties. With America being 238 years old if a third party would be viable, it would be been elected by now. This country is always, and has always, been made for a two party system. Look at how the splitting world. Imagine there are five parties running and no one gets 270 electors, well then the house picks the president and of course the house will pick their party.

It's a moot point. And Timberwolf do you think that it'll actually happen? The chaos at Philadelphia? The dems are more...chaotic than the republicans it's scary

Well that would obviously have to be changed if more parties begin to rise.

And let's be honest, it's going to happen eventually. We live in a much different world from even 20 years ago. It's much easier to raise money now, get attention, build a base, etc.

With independents making up 42% of the electorate, people already hating the two options they have, etc things are obviously going to split at some point.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Giselle

It was to put something in place to appease Republicans so that they didn't do something worse. She's been saying the same thing for 17 years.

This is a lie and I really wish people would stop trying to pass it off as fact. The Clinton's were NOTORIOUS for pandering to republicans so he'd get re-elected, etc. That was basically the point of Welfare reform as well.

[BlueTimberwolf]

I think if enough parties become viable, they would just lower the number needed from 270.

[Benzene]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Sanders Supporters Planning a Massive 4 Day Protest at Dem Convention

If this turns into something similar to Chicago, that's not good.

30,000 people? They'll be lucky to get 1,000. And FDR park isn't even close to Wells Fargo.