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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by xxtinaxx
True. I am an Asian and married to a white person. During my college years, I experienced racism in classroom so many times. It wasn't blatant, but white people in my group never listened to my opinion or talked to me in general. Likewise, they underestimated my ability, which frustrated me a lot. At the end of the day, I studied hard and proved them wrong. What I was trying to say was that the majority of white people are racist and think they are better than any other races.
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You really think a majority of white people are racist? I would say a majority of white people who live in the South are racist but I don't know if I'd say as a whole. Again, I wouldn't know. I've never experienced racism towards me. I witnessed a lot of it as a child (born in the NC backwoods). But I didn't witness much of it when I was in college and none at all since moving to WA.
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Member Since: 9/10/2011
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Originally posted by xxtinaxx
True. I am an Asian and married to a white person. During my college years, I experienced racism in classroom so many times. It wasn't blatant, but white people in my group never listened to my opinion or talked to me in general. Likewise, they underestimated my ability, which frustrated me a lot. At the end of the day, I studied hard and proved them wrong. What I was trying to say was that the majority of white people are racist and think they are better than any other races.
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I sympathize with you and I feel terribly sorry for these unfortunate experiences you have to face, feel free to talk to any of us here (well, most of us) if you need anything.
I disagree with this notion that most white people are racist, and I suggest you try and see for yourself some of the most accepting Northern European countries and even Northern American states, particularly New England and the rust belt minus Indiana.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Jan
I don't like Hillary but one has to admit, she was a very pretty woman even in her late 40s.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Jackson
I've always been 100% socially liberal. Gay rights, womens rights, BLM, etc. But progressives are too idealistic for a skeptic like me. They believe things that in theory are amazing (free college, free healthcare, etc) but in reality aren't as straightforward and easy to implement as many, especially young millennials, think they are (yeah, I realize Canada and Europe have a lot of these things but they're much harder to implement on a 300M+ sized scale). Plus I align more with conservatives when it comes to the economy. Progressivism goes a lot farther than just social issues.
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Social conservatism and fiscal conservatism are innately connected. So you support POC and LGBT folks, but don't want to rectify the unbalanced and classist structures made to work against them?
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Member Since: 11/14/2008
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After yesterday, Democrats outvoted the GOP by 32,528 votes (absentee ballots and in-person early voting) in Florida. It'll no doubt go up after today again. Why the differential is down from 2012, WAY MORE PEOPLE have voted as well. About 60% of Florida will have voted already by the time election day rolls around. Look for the state to be called by 10pm eastern at the very latest.
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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by Ra2
You really think a majority of white people are racist? I would say a majority of white people who live in the South are racist but I don't know if I'd say as a whole. Again, I wouldn't know. I've never experienced racism towards me. I witnessed a lot of it as a child (born in the NC backwoods). But I didn't witness much of it when I was in college and none at all since moving to WA.
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I guess I should clarify: as I grew older, I didn't make company with people who were overly racist and as a result saw less of it. Which is why I can't say that I know better than you do that it occurs and that a majority of white people behave that way.
I know it's not much, but I'm sorry people treated you that way. It's wrong and—well, that's all I know to say.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Pharaoh
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this makes for a very good avi
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Member Since: 9/10/2011
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Originally posted by foxaylove
After yesterday, Democrats outvoted the GOP by 32,528 votes (absentee ballots and in-person early voting) in Florida. It'll no doubt go up after today again. Why the differential is down from 2012, WAY MORE PEOPLE have voted as well. About 60% of Florida will have voted already by the time election day rolls around. Look for the state to be called by 10pm eastern at the very latest.
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If it's called for Trump then we perhaps need to watch out for the 10PM-12AM states to be called, but if it's announced for Hillary then that's it, right? Isn't there no path forward for Trump without it?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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The Republicans don't need any more 'reinventions', they already have reinvented themselves with Trump and it worked. Trump has made traditionally Republican issues such as LGBT rights, religious liberty, abortion and such a non-issue by focusing on anti-minority rhetoric.
Imagine if Trump wasn't the total nutjob he is. If he hadn't said 'grab them by the *****'. If he hadn't been simply dumb - with the same policy ideas as now. He would've easily won. That's how Republicans reinvented themselves, no longer a conservative party but a fascist party who only needs a good leader to become the biggest again.
Progressives have always had a majority amongst the youth, but that's because of social issues. The parties get on with the time, and in 10 years from now on we'll see a Republican party that is for LGBT rights. We'll also see a Democratic party that is for recreational usage of weed, and possibly flirting with the idea of legalising ecstacy. We'll see a Democratic party with a president that no longer mentions God, while the Republican party will mention it here and there to engage the quickly declining minority that is hardline Christians.
The most interesting thing to watch will be whether the Republican party will embrace racial minorities or whether they will stay on the path of criticising them. I think the longer the Republicans stay racist, the more damaging for their future elections. The Republican party is not the racist party for many people, but if another racist gets the nomination in four years time, the youth of today will remember the party as the 'Trump party' till they die.
Conservatives aren't necessarily holding onto the same beliefs they were 40 years ago - they evolve with the time. They're not opposed to changes from 10 years ago, they're opposed to new change. That's why they'll support LGBT rights in 10 years.
What the US really needs is a multi-partisan electoral system with proportional representation. That way the left (Greens), centre-left (sanders), centre (Hillary), progressive right (libertarians), religious right (Cruz?) and alt-reicht (Trump) will all have a place in parliament, and any government proposal will essentially be a compromise, leading to centrist policy. It would put an end to the increasing polarisation of US society.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Jan
I don't like Hillary but one has to admit, she was a very pretty woman even in her late 40s.
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Poor Chelsea (who got her dad's really bad genes)
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Donnie's not getting another shot lol. The GOP is betting on Hillary's first term being a disaster (they'll work overtime to make that happen) and they'll start grooming their candidates as soon as Hillary steps into the WH.
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Member Since: 9/10/2011
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Originally posted by Swine
The Republicans don't need any more 'reinventions', they already have reinvented themselves with Trump and it worked. Trump has made traditionally Republican issues such as LGBT rights, religious liberty, abortion and such a non-issue by focusing on anti-minority rhetoric.
Imagine if Trump wasn't the total nutjob he is. If he hadn't said 'grab them by the *****'. If he hadn't been simply dumb - with the same policy ideas as now. He would've easily won. That's how Republicans reinvented themselves, no longer a conservative party but a fascist party who only needs a good leader to become the biggest again.
Progressives have always had a majority amongst the youth, but that's because of social issues. The parties get on with the time, and in 10 years from now on we'll see a Republican party that is for LGBT rights. We'll also see a Democratic party that is for recreational usage of weed, and possibly flirting with the idea of legalizing ecstacy. We'll see a Democratic party with a president that no longer mentions God, while the Republican party will mention it here and there to engage the quickly declining minority that is hardline Christians.
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This analogy is flawless. Couldn't have said it better.
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Member Since: 9/10/2011
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Originally posted by Damien M
Poor Chelsea (who got her dad's really bad genes)
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What? Chelsea is very good-looking!
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
What? Chelsea is very good-looking!
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My love for Hillary is not big enough to lie about Chelsea's looks.
She makes up for it with intelligence and humanity tho, she good.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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The two parties are going to remain. The EC system makes it virtually impossible to have anything more than 2 parties.. They both need to reinvent themselves though.
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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Originally posted by Damien M
Poor Chelsea (who got her dad's really bad genes)
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At least she has a man and gets that D. How about you?
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 11/14/2008
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#VoteHillary @ladygaga 19m19 minutes ago
Young people listen up. We need to mobilize now, #VoteHillary and stop this dangerous man from continuing to divide and wreck our democracy.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by foxaylove
After yesterday, Democrats outvoted the GOP by 32,528 votes (absentee ballots and in-person early voting) in Florida. It'll no doubt go up after today again. Why the differential is down from 2012, WAY MORE PEOPLE have voted as well. About 60% of Florida will have voted already by the time election day rolls around. Look for the state to be called by 10pm eastern at the very latest.
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Hmm, according to Mitchell
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Obama won FL by 73k votes in 2012. According to CNN polls and 2016 EV, Trump will go into ED 127k ahead. He is +15 ED. Major win coming.
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whats the truth Foxay!
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
I think both major parties will suffer a break. On the DCN will be the far-left, progressives ( the Bernie bros) who will probably join the Green Party. The RNC is the one who'll suffer a bigger chance, and it really depends on the direction they take after the election. If they try to go back to what they were before 2016, I can really see the far-right/Alt-right forming a UKIP/National Front type of party, and taking a BIG number of Trump supporters with them.
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I agree with most of this besides the fact that the Bernie Bros will end up forming their own Socialist Party (as opposed to the Greens and Jill SStein gaining power lol).
Proud member of #Centrist Party!
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Hmm, according to Mitchell
whats the truth Foxay!
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The TRUTH is that Bill Mitchell is a dumb ****.
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