[RainMan]

The hetero population have been stealing black culture for decades

White straight boys wanna be thugs and wear gold chains and caps but as soon soon the gays do the same thwy get called out


Black and gay are different from the norm, they should be celebrated together

[Alejandrawrrr]

Originally posted by BGKC

What I find annoying in the US is that, as a melting pot full of diversity, no one wants to share each others cultures for the beauty of it. Black culture is a significant part of American culture for example, so of course other races in the US will adopt some of the styles/mannerisms blacks have contributed onto our society. What I want to know is, when will we acknowledge one another as Americans first and foremost before we start labeling each other as "acting black" or "acting white" or whatever the case. It's gross. We should be able to embrace one another as Americans contributing ideas and trends without separating and limiting ourselves to our own race. It's just so bland.

I do have to say I agree with this to an extent, it's a struggle in this day and age to draw the line between inspiration/homage and appropriation. Just know that it's a symptom of a very good thing, the fact that we are becoming more racially sensitive and aware to struggles, whereas it wasn't that long ago that blackface, segregation, and other blatant forms of discrimination were commonplace.

[KESTER]

Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr

Put simply, she's calling out people (it should be more than white gays tbh, I've seen straight males and female do this) who make a particular racial stereotype of black women; and worse yet, think a black woman should be flattered or impressed that they can throw lingo or stereotypes at them. I honestly think the majority of the people who have something against the article didn't read it. She didn't even say you can't like things that are stereotypically associated with black culture (for better or worse) like rap or twerking, just be yourself about it if you do. Don't do it and say "i iz a strong black woman *neck rolls* my name is friedchickenisha!" and think it's cute or acceptable. It's not asking too much

From what you're saying, I agree to some extent.
I don't think there's anything wrong with adopting certain things that are popular in a certain culture, but when it's so general and very stereotypical, it just seems ignorant.
Like when someone does an impression of gay person with the lisp and weak wrists etc.. It's stereotypical and wrong.

[Cola.drinker]

Originally posted by Vespertine

Now see, this is a perfect example of how black women are negatively stereotyped. You might not mean it maliciously, but WHY did you immediately go to "ratchet" (or "ghetto" as others will say)? It's literally just because Beyoncé is a black woman. It has to be that, because nothing about her is ACTUALLY "ratchet"/"ghetto," not when she could wipe her ass with my paycheck.

The fact that one of the richest women in the world is still called "ghetto" or "ratchet" just shows the negative associations/stereotypes people make without necessarily realizing it. That's what this article is trying to address: white gay men stereotyping black women. They may not mean to harm anyone, but all the guys that go on about being a "strong independent black woman" are reducing an entire diverse group of people.

I didnt mean it with negative associations. I didnt at all. A ratchet is not really a negative word for me anymore. Partition is a hot sexy urban bop, thats why I used it. But I am a rich european gay, so I guess I shouldnt really use words that dont belong to my culture or do anything which wasnt created in Europe.

[Alejandrawrrr]

Originally posted by Cola.drinker

Yeah but she shouldnt really apply this to the whole "white gay" world. Thats generalization af. Even the title " Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture" is extremely flamebait

If it's any consolation, I wholeheartedly agree that the title was not one I would have gone with, nor the focus on gay men in general. And it's also misleading (hence my initial reaction, having read only the article and assuming her point to be something else).

[Dollas n Diamonds]

Originally posted by Roman Holiday

I kind of agree tho. It can be annoying to see a little twink white boy from the gated suburbs acting like he's some sort of hoodrat.

The exact same can be said for straight white males thinking they're thugs.

Everyone just stop being something you're not. People know when you're not being authentic to yourself.

So black women are hoodrats and black men are thugs #okaythen

[JonnyϟLightning]

Originally posted by Lil Misty

You can't "steal" culture If someones interested enough in a certain culture that they actually want to embrace it, that's a totally fine thing. Now theres a difference from embracing a culture and making fun of it to make it look dumb/stupid/bad. Hehe

frank sis...

[Maiko]

Originally posted by shinjiikari

The uproar over this ad is why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=443Vy3I0gJs

because the masses still generalize being american to being a white male / female etc.

That AD is BEAUTIFUL. I got chills watching it.

[JonnyϟLightning]

Originally posted by RainMan

Black and gay are different from the norm, they should be celebrated together

How about NO. What the hell? SERIOUSLY? Did you just compare black oppression to gay oppression?

[Mimie]

Yesss TIME! Put the gays in their place!

[ECNEICSNOC]

Where is BLaCKPoWeR?

[Lil Misty]

Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning

frank sis...

Shut up Jonny

[Doc]

Originally posted by maiko

That AD is BEAUTIFUL. I got chills watching it.

Right, and the uproar over that commercial shows how much race is still such a big problem in the United States.

[Dollas n Diamonds]

Originally posted by ECNEICSNOC

Where is BLaCKPoWeR?

hopefully banned

[BadBitch]

Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning

How about NO. What the hell? SERIOUSLY? Did you just compare black oppression to gay oppression?

!!!

[Maiko]

Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds

This is a good post I just wanted to say that we do this in my city; Vancouver. Its not unobtainable if thats what you ment by untopian

Thank you. Utopian implies idealistic, not unobtainable. Vancouver is also a large progressive city. Matters of

race there aren't like they are in Mississippi and Alabama. It's wrong to tell these people to shut up about it when

things like lynching are still happening in their regions.

[DirtyPony87]

Originally posted by fridayteenage

Too true.

Having white privilege + sys-gendered privilege + male privilege together does not give them all the right to appropriate others' culture.

THIS. YES. I feel like 90% of Americans have no idea what any of these concepts are.

[BoyOnBoy Wonder]

Originally posted by Vespertine

Now see, this is a perfect example of how black women are negatively stereotyped. You might not mean it maliciously, but WHY did you immediately go to "ratchet" (or "ghetto" as others will say)? It's literally just because Beyoncé is a black woman. It has to be that, because nothing about her is ACTUALLY "ratchet"/"ghetto," not when she could wipe her ass with my paycheck.

The fact that one of the richest women in the world is still called "ghetto" or "ratchet" just shows the negative associations/stereotypes people make without necessarily realizing it. That's what this article is trying to address: white gay men stereotyping black women. They may not mean to harm anyone, but all the guys that go on about being a "strong independent black woman" are reducing an entire diverse group of people. Think of how annoying it is when straight people reduce all gay men to sex-crazed glitter maniacs.

Great post, Vesp.

[Toya]

Originally posted by accelgors

oh this is so beyond stupid. some claims of appropriation are just totally ridiculous and this is one of them. you could maybe call this appropriation but how does this specific instance harm anyone?? this is a joke with absolutely no ill intent behind it, there is no way that it negatively affects anyone. but i guess policing harmless things and looking for reasons to be offended is people's new hobby. good job, you scored 30 oppression dollars. choose your next quest!

and stop with the "you have more privilege than me!!!11" bs. if we're REALLY going to compare the oppression, i guarantee you the amount of people killed for being black is much lower than the amount killed for being gay. but we shouldn't make this comparison anyway. oppression isn't a competition. people that aren't majority groups face different struggles and you shouldn't compare them. it's totally belittling to people's experiences to say that the oppression they've faced is less than yours, especially when it's not even comparable because the problems are experienced in different ways.

lord, some people are just offended by absolutely everything.

She's not talking about one specific instance she's talking about the incredibly popular and long running trend of white gays becoming minstrels of black women. It happens and to some it can be offensive. Being unaware of the fact that you're being offensive doesn't make it any less offensive.

Also, where are these numbers you apparently found on blacks being killed for being black vs. gays being killed for being gay. I know you said it doesn't matter but you did feel the need to bring it up so I'm just wondering how you can guarantee you're right.

[XVIIII]

I have an issue with her saying gays are not female and therefore cannot act that way. There are gay men who are naturally more effeminate. Doesn't mean they're "appropriating" female culture, that's who they are. I can understand the black part a little more but that goes for every race of gays, not just whites. Hell, even a lot of black gay men act like black women. The article is just messy.