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Discussion: Did bitterness towards whites propel Trump?
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And they proved them right so...
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Why can't people have discussions like this without crying "OMG POOR WHITE PPLS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE IT WORSE"
...like it's an actual question.
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Originally posted by rlj
Why can't people have discussions like this without crying "OMG POOR WHITE PPLS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE IT WORSE"
...like it's an actual question.
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Yeah. + The people doing it are missing the point ironically.
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Originally posted by rlj
Why can't people have discussions like this without crying "OMG POOR WHITE PPLS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE IT WORSE"
...like it's an actual question.
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It's almost like a script. I'm surprised I haven't saw the "crying in white tears" line yet.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
It's almost like a script. I'm surprised I haven't saw the "crying in white tears" line yet.
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Lol, don't speak so soon. It's coming.
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Originally posted by rlj
Why can't people have discussions like this without crying "OMG POOR WHITE PPLS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE IT WORSE"
...like it's an actual question.
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Nobody mentioned Black people yet but okay.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
It's almost like a script. I'm surprised I haven't saw the "crying in white tears" line yet.
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It's coming, don't worry
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The alt-right will not dissolve. Trump is putting them in his ****ing cabinet.
They will only grow.
What leftists can only hope for is that Trump fails Americans when it comes to the economy and we can continue to work towards progressiveness, anti-racism, and equality in 2020.
This was a stand by racists to defend white supremacy.
They see black women excelling quicker than they ever have in colleges.
They see Asian Americans outperforming them at their jobs, racking up higher salaries.
They see the greater culture shifting to be more empathetic to black people (and thus questioning the way white supremacy has propped up and helped certain "white identity jobs" like police/sheriffs/law enforcement).
They see the Democrats reaching out to Latino voters like never before & prioritizing their needs.
For the first time in all of their lives - and in this country - their needs and wants were not put first. Their greatest claim (the seat of president) was even taken from them. They sat and seethed for 8 years and, when given the chance, burst forward and tried to strangle diversity & progressiveness & equality until it died.
Thankfully, they didn't fully succeed, but sobered many of us up to realize just how long this fight will take.
Democrats always do better when it comes to the economy, so this is a road bump.
You can't have social change really prosper when people are "distracted" by other issues.
This will just be a harder, slower period of change for Leftists in the history of change we're dedicated to.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
Can we plz stop with these generic responses? I've saw this written online at least 581 million times.
The OP made a valid point to ignite a serious discussion.
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Dang it, let me search for a less popular tweet then.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
Can we plz stop with these generic responses? I've saw this written online at least 581 million times.
The OP made a valid point to ignite a serious discussion.
Not true since not every white person voted for Trump.
It's just like the "All Muslims are terrorists" comment, despite that most Muslims aren't terrorists. (And yes I'm aware it's worse to label a Muslim as a terrorist than to say to you hate somebody)
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I hate white people (lets be clear i didn't say ALL) is not comparable to all Muslims are Terrorists Saintlor. i say that as a white Canadian speaking to a white Brit neither of us will be affected by this
white people voted for biggotry in a mass majority its statistical
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Originally posted by Communion
The alt-right will not dissolve. Trump is putting them in his ****ing cabinet.
They will only grow.
What leftists can only hope for is that Trump fails Americans when it comes to the economy and we can continue to work towards progressiveness, anti-racism, and equality in 2020.
This was a stand by racists to defend white supremacy.
They see black women excelling quicker than they ever have in colleges.
They see Asian Americans outperforming them at their jobs, racking up higher salaries.
They see the greater culture shifting to be more empathetic to black people (and thus questioning the way white supremacy has propped up and helped certain "white identity jobs" like police/sheriffs/law enforcement).
They see the Democrats reaching out to Latino voters like never before & prioritizing their needs.
For the first time in all of their lives - and in this country - their needs and wants were not put first. Their greatest claim (the seat of president) was even taken from them. They sat and seethed for 8 years and, when given the chance, burst forward and tried to strangle diversity & progressiveness & equality until it died.
Thankfully, they didn't fully succeed, but sobered many of us up to realize just how long this fight will take.
Democrats always do better when it comes to the economy, so this is a road bump.
You can't have social change really prosper when people are "distracted" by other issues.
This will just be a harder, slower period of change for Leftists in the history of change we're dedicated to.
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People who are alt-right are not exactly racist, sexist, or homophobic. But they are focusing in on SJW culture and reacting almost specifically to it. I think that they have therefore blinded themselves into voting for Trump, and honestly it is most likely just a phase for some people. I think SJW's really did make the alt-right movement stronger. Some of them were simply caught up in the hype + will dissolve into the Democratic Party as they mature. This election was an anomoly and a joke.
Let a likable Democratic candidate make an entrance in 2020. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
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i mean...i don't really feel sorry for those people, but i can kinda understand where this point is coming from.
the internet has just created a lot of highly divisive language, which really doesn't encourage people to support left-wing ideologies. i don't think that's the main problem, but i could see it being a contributing factor, and i notice that there seems to be a legitimate hesitation among some more moderate people to call themselves liberal nowadays.
but i also think this is a symptom of a larger problem - more privileged communities and more marginalized communities just don't really communicate very well in a way that both can reach any kind of agreement, which is why a lot of internet arguments come down to "go die you commie" vs. "i hope you get hit by a bus bigot". it doesn't do anyone any good, and i think it causes a lot of people to be more polarized. it doesn't help that the internet exposes us to the very worst of the side we disagree with, because that can make people more likely to assume that everyone (or most people) on the other side are terrible, irredeemable people, which just reinforces their views (especially if they already have a persecution complex)
so, i wouldn't say attacking white people is extremely morally wrong (even though i think it's pretty stupid and a waste of time), but i do understand how it can lead to negative consequences even without the intention of causing severe issues.
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I think so. Obviously not the main reason, that would be Hilary's lack of charisma and her inability to adress Islamic terrorism in my eyes, but it played a role.
A notable portion of liberals has normalised a hateful and negative attitude against white people and act like this is acceptable or even 'edgy' to some degree. All this brings is division among the population and is never going to bring people to their cause. But they clearly haven't learned their lesson because the election results only prompted more "**** white people" tweets. It's quite sad to watch.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
It's this kind of stuff that I'm talking about. Mess.
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I hate that some Straight White Males thought that SJW's = Liberal = Democrats. It just isn't true at all.
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I mean, what else do you want me to tell you? Minorities fought for decades to be treated equal to whites in this country and we finally began to make progress.
Now suddenly some white people feel scared, threatened, and "ignored" and wanna blame it on minorities taking everything away from them, when in reality, we have only taken the rights we were owed. We have nothing to do with middle America losing jobs. We've been suffering from this **** for even longer than they have. But for some reason they believe the solution is to get rid of and silence us. So here we are back at the beginning. That's the **** that got us here in the first place. It's a cycle and I'm not about to feel sorry for them and I definitely ain't gonna sit back and allow them to send us back to the dark ages.
Hopefully next election when these poor, jobless whites realize that they're still poor and jobless, they will finally realize that we were never the enemy.
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Originally posted by accelgors
i mean...i don't really feel sorry for those people, but i can kinda understand where this point is coming from.
the internet has just created a lot of highly divisive language, which really doesn't encourage people to support left-wing ideologies. i don't think that's the main problem, but i could see it being a contributing factor, and i notice that there seems to be a legitimate hesitation among some more moderate people to call themselves liberal nowadays.
but i also think this is a symptom of a larger problem - more privileged communities and more marginalized communities just don't really communicate very well in a way that both can reach any kind of agreement, which is why a lot of internet arguments come down to "go die you commie" vs. "i hope you get hit by a bus bigot". it doesn't do anyone any good, and i think it causes a lot of people to be more polarized. it doesn't help that the internet exposes us to the very worst of the side we disagree with, because that can make people more likely to assume that everyone (or most people) on the other side are terrible, irredeemable people, which just reinforces their views (especially if they already have a persecution complex)
so, i wouldn't say attacking white people is extremely morally wrong (even though i think it's pretty stupid and a waste of time), but i do understand how it can lead to negative consequences even without the intention of causing severe issues.
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I agree with your whole post, except this. Why ?
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Originally posted by accelgors
i mean...i don't really feel sorry for those people, but i can kinda understand where this point is coming from.
the internet has just created a lot of highly divisive language, which really doesn't encourage people to support left-wing ideologies. i don't think that's the main problem, but i could see it being a contributing factor, and i notice that there seems to be a legitimate hesitation among some more moderate people to call themselves liberal nowadays.
but i also think this is a symptom of a larger problem - more privileged communities and more marginalized communities just don't really communicate very well in a way that both can reach any kind of agreement, which is why a lot of internet arguments come down to "go die you commie" vs. "i hope you get hit by a bus bigot". it doesn't do anyone any good, and i think it causes a lot of people to be more polarized. it doesn't help that the internet exposes us to the very worst of the side we disagree with, because that can make people more likely to assume that everyone (or most people) on the other side are terrible, irredeemable people, which just reinforces their views (especially if they already have a persecution complex)
so, i wouldn't say attacking white people is extremely morally wrong (even though i think it's pretty stupid and a waste of time), but i do understand how it can lead to negative consequences even without the intention of causing severe issues.
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Originally posted by Lucas32
I think so. Obviously not the main reason, that would be Hilary's lack of charisma and her inability to adress Islamic terrorism in my eyes, but it played a role.
A notable portion of liberals has normalised a hateful and negative attitude against white people and act like this is acceptable or even 'edgy' to some degree. All this brings is division among the population and is never going to bring people to their cause. But they clearly haven't learned their lesson because the election results only prompted more "**** white people" tweets. It's quite sad to watch.
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Bwahahahaha not only is the premise of this thread wrong as he actually energized less voters overall than previous republican candidates but he energized blue collar whites working 2 jobs a day to make ends meet. Y'all think those guys have time for anti-white attacks on Tumblr or MTV Decoded? Deluded fools.
Branding everything racist (Cultural appropriation aka one of the biggest nonissues etc.) sure did help in mitigating the word "racist" but these white people came out in flocks and PRAISED Trump for speaking their language and saying exactly "What everyone is thinking" (Only they think what he says) thus proving all of us who warned of sneaky white people RIGHT. So no I will not walk over eggshells for people put up a progressive facade only to betray us behind the voting booth curtains. Not.On.My.Watch
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
I mean, what else do you want me to tell you? Minorities fought for decades to be treated equal to whites in this country and we finally began to make progress.
Now suddenly some white people feel scared, threatened, and "ignored" and wanna blame it on minorities taking everything away from them, when in reality, we have only taken the rights we were owed. We have nothing to do with middle America losing jobs. We've been suffering from this **** for even longer than they have. But for some reason they believe the solution is to get rid of and silence us. So here we are back at the beginning. That's the **** that got us here in the first place. It's a cycle and I'm not about to feel sorry for them and I definitely ain't gonna sit back and allow them to send us back to the dark ages.
Hopefully next election when these poor, jobless whites still aren't happy with their lives, they will finally realize that we were never the enemy.
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Girl stop acting like they are getting ready to put us in the damn cotton fields. What rights can they actually constitutionally take away from POC?
Also, any POC acted unbothered by Trump's chances of winning and a lot of them did NOT vote. Now people are posting stuff on Facebook saying they were attacked or experienced racism for real. It sucks, but it was a wake-up call.
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