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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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I only wish Hillary would keep the status quo when it comes to Israel. I have a feeling she's going to be mending things after Obama rightfully set the stages of detaching them from the hip. 
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
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But we can start with the fact that he said she's only hugging Obama to get the black vote
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Show where he said those exact words.  Please.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
Even though there are proportionally more Hillary fans in this thread, that still doesn't mean there's not more substantive discussion. People share articles, ask for feedback, ask questions, etc.
People on Facebook will flat out refer to Hillary as "$hillary", a "corporate hack", etc. They consistently fail to use credible sources and are just hyperbolic in all of their criticisms. I'm sorry, but this is nothing like a comment section of Facebook, YouTube, Tumblr, Reddit, etc. I have yet to see a single person be called a "****ing idiot" for supporting anyone in this thread. Which is one of the many things I've been called for sharing an article on my own Facebook wall.
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I don't know what thread you've been reading, but you're certainly wrong about the attacks on Bernie supporters here. I mean, just today we were referred to as "irrational zombies" - this is the latest example that came to mind.
ATRL is very biased towards the Secretary and degrading comments are made on a daily basis. The same bs happens in favor of Bernie outside this website, to be fair.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
Even though there are proportionally more Hillary fans in this thread, that still doesn't mean there's not more substantive discussion. People share articles, ask for feedback, ask questions, etc.
People on Facebook will flat out refer to Hillary as "$hillary", a "corporate hack", etc. They consistently fail to use credible sources and are just hyperbolic in all of their criticisms. I'm sorry, but this is nothing like a comment section of Facebook, YouTube, Tumblr, Reddit, etc.
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You find substantial discussion on Reddit though. Look harder than the top comments in "HILLARY FINALLY GOING 2 B BUSTED 4 ILLEGAL EMAILS" threads. It's less of a hivemind than it seems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...ry_clinton_to/
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Haven't decided if I should vote in PA or MD. PA registration deadline is tomorrow.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by The Countess
I only wish Hillary would keep the status quo when it comes to Israel. I have a feeling she's going to be mending things after Obama rightfully set the stages of detaching them from the hip. |
I agree, I've been happy to see Obama cut that relationship a bit, but it likely won't last.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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I would be OK with Bernie as the Dem candidate in any other election year but not this one. Too important.
I'm not confident he can beat Trump, at all.
Hillary can go down to the gutter to take out Trump if need be. Bernie can barely debate.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Israel is such a liability.
One thing i agree w Bernie on.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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I want US politicians to finally start recognizing and taking legitimate action towards the injustices that Israel commits against Palestine, not just the ones that Palestinians commit (which there are a lot of, to be fair).
As the son of a Palestinian refugee, kicked out by the occupation, I can certainly assure you that the picture-perfrct image that many American politicians have painted in regards to Israel is very flawed. Both sides are on the wrong in many ways, I'm not saying cut ties with Israel nor decrease support, but certainly take stricter actions when dealing with the violations they commit on a monthly basis.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I don't know what thread you've been reading, but you're certainly wrong about the attacks on Bernie supporters here. I mean, just today we were referred to as "irrational zombies" - this is the latest example that came to mind.
ATRL is very biased towards the Secretary and degrading comments are made on a daily basis. The same bs happens in favor of Bernie outside this website, to be fair.
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There are obvious attacks on Bernie supporters as a whole (unfortunately), but I still do not see it to be as extreme as how I've seen attacks against Hillary. I obviously have a bias perception because I pay more attention to attacks against Hillary. But, literally, I cannot go onto my Facebook without seeing attacks against Hillary and her supporters from people I'm friends with... I don't see that as much for Bernie. If you go to Bernie's Facebook page and look at his post, you never really see Hillary supporters try to overtake the post. I see that all the time on Hillary's posts. It's ridiculous. If you go onto SNL's YouTube page, if Hillary is made fun of then it's "indistinguishable from satire." If Bernie is made fun of in another video, then it's clearly "corporate media" trying to "win" the election for Hillary and attacking Bernie.
Overall, the Internet is so heavily skewed towards Bernie that while ATRL is not the most fair place for Bernie supporters, I do think it's overall more fair in general when you consider everything else.
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Originally posted by Butters
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Okay, I will disavow my criticism of Reddit. I still stand by most of the Internet, regardless.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Damien M
I would be OK with Bernie as the Dem candidate in any other election year but not this one. Too important.
I'm not confident he can beat Trump, at all.
Hillary can go down to the gutter to take out Trump if need be. Bernie can barely debate.
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All Trump would have to do is link that tax calculator that Vox created.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...alculator-2016
Couple it with pointing out that Bernie was on government assistance until he was 40 and never had a steady career from a job that didn't have "government" written on the check and it would be a WRAP. Dude does not have the political acumen or charisma to withstand that line of attack.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Benzene
Haven't decided if I should vote in PA or MD. PA registration deadline is tomorrow.
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PA. Not like she really needs it more as she'll win both but PA 
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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I love seeing many Hillary supporters fantasize about "all Trump has to do" conspiracies, followed by how passionate they are about knowing that Bernie can't argue back against any claim.
The politics of fear, at its finest levels.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Benzene
All Trump would have to do is link that tax calculator that Vox created.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...alculator-2016
Couple it with pointing out that Bernie was on government assistance until he was 40 and never had a steady career from a job that didn't have "government" written on the check and it would be a WRAP. Dude does not have the political acumen or charisma to withstand that line of attack. |
Wow @ me going to pay 8K more under Bernie.
 What the hell, i thought his stans said it was only going to affect people earning 500K+?
I agree that Trump has so many lines of attack re: Bernie. I mean, look @ how he's going after Ted Cruz's wife *just* for having a mental illness.
When he finds out about Bernie's rape essays.......... its a wrap.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
PA. Not like she really needs it more as she'll win both but PA |
MD has a big Senate primary though. 
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I love seeing many Hillary supporters fantasize with "all Trump has to do" conspiracies, followed by how passionate they are about knowing that Bernie can't argue back against any claim.
The politics of fear, at its finest levels.
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The politics of fear have won elections, time and time again. Ask Dukakis and Kerry.
Bernie knows this quite well too, which is why his campaigned has positioned him as a moral exemplar who MUST be elected to save the soul of Washington or else all is lost.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Benzene
MD has a big Senate primary though. |
Really? Then go for Maryland
I really want to get Toomey out of office though 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I love seeing many Hillary supporters fantasize about "all Trump has to do" conspiracies, followed by how passionate they are about knowing that Bernie can't argue back against any claim.
The politics of fear, at its finest levels.
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Lol of course we have reason to fear
Bernie isn't a great (or even decent) politician by any means.
I mean he can't even beat Hillary outright and she's given him the biggest softball campaign of all time
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Kim Kardashian
I agree with this.
I think Hillary gets a lot of unfair criticism and wouldn't be a bad President, she just wouldn't even attempt to bring the change America needs.
That being said, whilst I do think Bernie has the right intentions; i'm skeptical if he could actually bring any change since the political system is so ****ed up and it's near impossible to achieve anything. |
You kind of characterise my opinion. I love Bernie a lot but my reservation comes with how he would get things done. Coming from supporting Obama and his "revolutionary" take on issues and then seeing how the actual political system can block the reforms the country (and world) needs, it makes me more skeptical of Sanders. I don't think Hillary is the perfect candidate, but I do think she would do what it takes to make it work. I am also very concerned about Foreign Policy and I think it is fair to say Clinton has the upper hand there.
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