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News: Controversy over Target OCD sweater
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I'm back and forth about this.
I have the "cute/quirky" form of OCD, where just certain things bother me, and I'll speak up about it, but not to where it controls my every thought and action.
But there are some people where it literally ruins their life, because they constantly think about their home door being unlocked when they're at work, so they can't focus.
That being said, this bitch looks annoying as ****, so I refuse to agree with anything she's saying. I don't think this is a big deal.
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Anyway back to the main topic. It's not like the sweater is making fun of or belittling anyone with OCD, nor is it discounting the struggles they face in everyday life (which obvs no one in this thread takes seriously because they don't even know what OCD is). And I'm not saying this is true, but if the girl who posted it doesn't actually have an OCD diagnosis and just think it's cute and quirky to have OCD, then she is the one trivializing the matter, not a harmless sweater.
EDIT: OMG Mess Witch_Privilege I did not see your post so my "cute and quirky" comment was not referring to you 
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Originally posted by Flare
You just typed an oxymoron.
Different levels of severity already presumes that there's more serious cases and more acute cases but ok. Let's pretend not to comprehend basic English and scream "SJW" "Oversensitive" from the mountain tops.  |
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Well if you are hating on a group of people, if you are discriminating them, marginalizing them, belittiling them for being who they are, then are you one or more of those things.
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That's literally what it means in this case, though.
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There is always some big problem with the younger generation used to belittle and brush aside their concerns...
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But go ahead and agree with a right-wing nut. It's a realllllly good look.
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With this comment you clearly fit the criteria of somebody who ignores dictionary definitions.
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All of this 
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Mess 
You clearly fit the criteria of what those articles are talking about....
I don't hate you, I don't even know you...
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I'm not taking anything you said personally actually. Why do you think I am? I never even mentioned myself since the first post I made many pages ago and it wasn't addressed to you. I am explaining how and why people are called haters, bigots, etc. Perhaps it's you who is taking things personally, trying to defend your actions and your words by telling other people that they are the problem.
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Originally posted by Auburn
Anyway back to the main topic. It's not like the sweater is making fun of or belittling anyone with OCD, nor is it discounting the struggles they face in everyday life (which obvs no one in this thread takes seriously because they don't even know what OCD is). And I'm not saying this is true, but if the girl who posted it doesn't actually have an OCD diagnosis and just think it's cute and quirky to have OCD, then she is the one trivializing the matter, not a harmless sweater.
EDIT: OMG Mess Witch_Privilege I did not see your post so my "cute and quirky" comment was not referring to you |
Don't worry, boo! I didn't take it as that.
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Originally posted by Auburn
Anyway back to the main topic. It's not like the sweater is making fun of or belittling anyone with OCD, nor is it discounting the struggles they face in everyday life (which obvs no one in this thread takes seriously because they don't even know what OCD is). And I'm not saying this is true, but if the girl who posted it doesn't actually have an OCD diagnosis and just think it's cute and quirky to have OCD, then she is the one trivializing the matter, not a harmless sweater.
EDIT: OMG Mess Witch_Privilege I did not see your post so my "cute and quirky" comment was not referring to you |
It’s surely not the most offensive shirt in the world, nor even in the top 100. But the point she was making I think, or that should be made, is that the shirt is in poor taste and they’re making light of a potentially serious thing that people suffer with.
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See people point out that people that AREN'T offended don't speak for everyone. Neither does she or anyone that is offended by things. I'm sure every person in the world is offended by multiple things, and if everyone had their way, earth would be empty and blank, and even that would offend people.
Life sucks, oh well.
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But go ahead and agree with a right-wing nut who sees the students of Mizzou speaking out on racism they face as being "enabled" and wanting to be "coddled". It's a realllllly good look.
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This is literally a repeat of that other SJW bashing thread where people were agreeing with a pedophile over the "SJWs" (they were troll accounts). Or when ATRL was agreeing with an artist who insulted "SJWs" but it turned out he makes racist art about minorities, the holocaust, KKK, and more. I swear ATRL falls right into the trap each time.
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Originally posted by Flare
This is literally a repeat of that other SJW bashing thread where people were agreeing with a pedophile over the "SJWs" (they were troll accounts). Or when ATRL was agreeing with an artist who insulted "SJWs" but it turned out he makes racist art about minorities, the holocaust, KKK, and more. I swear ATRL falls right into the trap each time. |
ATRL treats women and SJWs as second class citizens, very oppressive and vile tbh.
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This pic was in America. They have freedom of speech protection there. So unless it falls foul of copyright laws, or other First Amendment exceptions then AFAIK vendors are free to have slogans/phrases on merchandise they are selling. If people get offended then they have the right to complain but unless it is illegal they cannot prevent the sale of the merchandise. They could attempt to publicly shame the vendor into removing the item, and organise a boycott but I don't think it is illegal to sell such items. Attempts to prevent the sale of such items would seem to be attempts at censorship which would run contrary to the US First Amendment protections for Freedom of Speech. A US lawyer would have to confirm this though.
If some people on the internet get offended, then too bad. They just have to get over it. Selling an item of clothing which is in bad taste is not illegal in the US.
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Originally posted by Flare
This is literally a repeat of that other SJW bashing thread where people were agreeing with a pedophile over the "SJWs" (they were troll accounts). Or when ATRL was agreeing with an artist who insulted "SJWs" but it turned out he makes racist art about minorities, the holocaust, KKK, and more. I swear ATRL falls right into the trap each time. |
Would that be you falling into the trap this time? Since I disagree with both her and you?
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Originally posted by revel8
This pic was in America. They have freedom of speech protection there. So unless it falls foul of copyright laws, or other First Amendment exceptions then AFAIK vendors are free to have slogans/phrases on merchandise they are selling. If people get offended then they have the right to complain but unless it is illegal they cannot prevent the sale of the merchandise. They could attempt to publicly shame the vendor into removing the item, and organise a boycott but I don't think it is illegal to sell such items. Attempts to prevent the sale of such items would seem to be attempts at censorship which would run contrary to the US First Amendment protections for Freedom of Speech. A US lawyer would have to confirm this though.
If some people on the internet get offended, then too bad. They just have to get over it.
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I don't recall anyone in this thread or in the tweets in the OP claiming these items should be illegal 
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As someone who has OCD, this really makes light of a serious situation both on their part and her part, should she be just throwing on the label. For as long as I've known myself, I've been tormented by spontaneous religious thoughts (thinking the devil would possess me, random thoughts of things I'd never do). I've bitten my nails so compulsively that my cuticles are beyond damaged, I wash my hands so frequently that I have to use lotion every day. If I feel like I've left something unlocked or undone, I HAVE to go back to check even if it means I'm gonna be late.
This kinda **** brings into focus the problems society has in accepting mental disorders as actual disorders. People often ignore their own psychological disorders and ignore potential signs of it in their loved ones because they are treated like a joke. As if ADHD, OCD and anorexia are just designer labels to be worn. Some people are way too quick to throw the label on themselves but these are real disorders with real effects, and it's really offensive to sufferers of diseases when they see people making fun of their disorders as if they were funny. OCD is not funny. Asperger's is not funny. Autism is not funny.
We don't sit down here treating AIDS like it's a joke, why are we treating psychological disorders like they are?
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I don't recall anyone in this thread or in the tweets in the OP claiming these items should be illegal |
Sure. but the crux of the issue is that this person referenced in the OP is objecting to the sale of the item of clothing. People have then started arguing about whether the item is offensive or not, and talking about the characteristics of the person complaining. My point is that it doesn't matter whether the sweater is offensive or not, the vendor is entitled to sell it regardless. I think it is protected under First Amendment legislation.
Attempts to prevent the sale, which seems to be the intent of the complaining party, would probably fail because it would be seen as an attempt at censorship, because the only objection to the item is the written words on it. While the complainer is entitled to object using her freedom of speech rights, similarly the vendor is allowed to sell the clothing item using their freedom of speech protection.
In essense the woman might well be offended, but she just needs to get on with her life. And her friends need to now troll her by buying her one for Christmas. 
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Originally posted by Obsession
As someone who has OCD, this really makes light of a serious situation both on their part and her part, should she be just throwing on the label. For as long as I've known myself, I've been tormented by spontaneous religious thoughts (thinking the devil would possess me, random thoughts of things I'd never do). I've bitten my nails so compulsively that my cuticles are beyond damaged, I wash my hands so frequently that I have to use lotion every day. If I feel like I've left something unlocked or undone, I HAVE to go back to check even if it means I'm gonna be late.
This kinda **** brings into focus the problems society has in accepting mental disorders as actual disorders. People often ignore their own psychological disorders and ignore potential signs of it in their loved ones because they are treated like a joke. As if ADHD, OCD and anorexia are just designer labels to be worn. Some people are way too quick to throw the label on themselves but these are real disorders with real effects, and it's really offensive to sufferers of diseases when they see people making fun of their disorders as if they were funny. OCD is not funny. Asperger's is not funny. Autism is not funny.
We don't sit down here treating AIDS like it's a joke, why are we treating psychological disorders like they are? |
The perfect combination of your post, your username and your avi 
But you are absolutely right, and you have the full right to claim such things, I really hope you stay strong and I really wish you an easy pathway to healing hun, and thank you for sharing your thoughts 
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Originally posted by Auburn
Would that be you falling into the trap this time? Since I disagree with both her and you?
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You're free to disagree but that doesn't make you correct. Just like when you made an oxymoron on the last page, I called you on it with a valid point, and you chose not to acknowledge it. ( http://atrl.net/?p=31515626)
At the end of the day, the girl simply posted about the sweater on her twitter account and I took a look through her twitter and she hasn't even discussed it since. Clearly it doesn't bother her how ATRL is blowing it up to be. Literally like sharks to blood, certain people on this site fly into the "SJW" threads and start complaining about their personal issues with SJWs without reading anything in the OP, sources, other replies, doing outside research, etc. Maybe you all shouldn't have read just the article and should have read her actual tweet on it and just take it for what it is: one tweet expressing a concern which Target gladly responded to already and everyone moved on from
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@AskTarget: @ReignMurphy Thanks for tweeting! We've shared your thoughts with our team to review, and to improve our selection. Thanks for shopping!
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Originally posted by Obsession
As someone who has OCD, this really makes light of a serious situation both on their part and her part, should she be just throwing on the label. For as long as I've known myself, I've been tormented by spontaneous religious thoughts (thinking the devil would possess me, random thoughts of things I'd never do). I've bitten my nails so compulsively that my cuticles are beyond damaged, I wash my hands so frequently that I have to use lotion every day. If I feel like I've left something unlocked or undone, I HAVE to go back to check even if it means I'm gonna be late.
This kinda **** brings into focus the problems society has in accepting mental disorders as actual disorders. People often ignore their own psychological disorders and ignore potential signs of it in their loved ones because they are treated like a joke. As if ADHD, OCD and anorexia are just designer labels to be worn. Some people are way too quick to throw the label on themselves but these are real disorders with real effects, and it's really offensive to sufferers of diseases when they see people making fun of their disorders as if they were funny. OCD is not funny. Asperger's is not funny. Autism is not funny.
We don't sit down here treating AIDS like it's a joke, why are we treating psychological disorders like they are? |
How's that for the ones in this thread acting like other people's experiences are invalidated because some people said it doesn't bother them?
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I love how all the bigots stopped posting here after they got dragged left and right.
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Um.... no one is saying it should be illegal just that they should have more compassion for those they're referencing.
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People are being randomly shot and killed at schools for children with disabilities but people decide to worry about THIS? Some of y'all need to rethink your priorities
I understand it may seem like they are portraying the disease as something fun, but it's a freaking sweater at target
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