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Originally posted by Retro
Deplorable? I'll get to what's "deplorable" about all of this in just a second.
- On War: Her position on whether we need active troops in one location may have changed, but her overall position has NOT. She was the New York Senator after 9/11 and voted with others in her party who now regret the decision; that's not changing position, that's recognizing that a bad call was made in reaction to the horrific attacks we suffered, and acknowledging that mistake. That's not poor character at all. Additionally, her position has been relatively stable for the last nine years on this issue.
- Healthcare: that's bull. Straight up bull. She's been working for healthcare since before most of us in this thread were born, pushing for universal coverage for two and a half decades. She's not changed a bit on that. Like many Democrats she likely thinks of single payer as an ideal end, but acknowledges that it simply cannot happen. She's consistent and tough on this issue, don't lie.
- Gay Marriage: not only has her position on the issue been exactly in line with the actual American people, and in some ways with Sanders as well since we all know about that time he voted against certain measures, but also, she's been a proven advocate for the community for years despite her opinions on marriage itself. This is a weak line of attack to either her character or her consistency.
- Crime: if you pull back your focus from the two things that have repeatedly been peddled throughout this election season (the superpredators comment and the corresponding bill vs. her statements now that we need to reduce mass incarceration), you'd find she's remarkably consistent there as well.
- Trade: Also essentially a myth. Her votes and emails on trade have been rather consistent in supporting attempts at trade deals, but responsibly acknowledging when they fail. This is also well-documented. I would say that expecting a blanket position on trade is economically and practically irresponsible.
Now, what's deplorable is your uninformed and irresponsible stance on Trump. His campaign might be "white noise" to you, but to those of us who have been paying attention, he is absolutely the worst possible choice. He is a racist. He is a misogynist. He advocates for violence and encourages it at his rallies. He's failed to put forth an actual plan for virtually any of his proposals. He talked about his penis size on national television, openly mocks and derides anyone with whom he comes into contact, and is generally the polar opposite of Bernie, both on most of the issues and in character. Supporting Bernie over Hillary on some nebulous and ill-informed perception of character is a problem in and of itself, but hopping over to Trump in response to Bernie's inviability? That's even worse.
Hillary believes what she has preached and has always stood for solid Democratic Party ideals, and has been a member of the party for 48 years. Holding her to an unreasonably and ridiculously high standard does not change this. Her character has not been successfully questioned: neither you nor any other person opposed to her can actually point to unethical behavior, to actual examples of pandering to any voters, to any actual reason why her character and record should be questioned. You say she's out of touch, but she curiously seems to be the candidate with the MOST support on either side, and with the best and most thorough plans. You say she's hated by millions for good reasons, but you have failed to provide a single one that's nearly good enough, or really that's good at all.
Hillary is a better candidate than any of the others; attacks on her as "untrustworthy" or "dishonest" simply do NOT hold up upon any measure of scrutiny; and she will be the next President. That's all there is to it. |
Hun, you can chill now. First of all I don't really give a f*ck what her positions are on any of those. I don't care about her beliefs because she has changed too many of them. I am aware of what they are currently and I never particularly liked her democratic policies so it doest matter either way I have a problem with how she incorporates policy into her political gain. For example she was against Obamacare initially and completely changed her tune 4 years later. Same thing with gay marriage in 2010. She will say anything the people want to hear and it rubs me the wrong way. I do not like her nor do I believe she has good character. You are obviously free to disagree with me but thats not going to change my views on her as a person.
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I'm starting to wonder if he'll even get 10% of the minority vote.
