I mean, I think you know as well as the rest of us that a vote for any liberal third party or independent - or if you're a liberal who doesn't vote - is essentially a vote you're taking from Hillary. It's allowing Trump to win.
Hillary vs Trump i seriously wouldn't know who to vote, i think its stupid wasting your vote in the "lesser evil." Is bernie still planning to run independently?
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Originally posted by ALIEN
Hillary aint getting my vote
That was quick, only 3 minutes to make up your mind.
I mean, I think you know as well as the rest of us that a vote for any liberal third party or independent - or if you're a liberal who doesn't vote - is essentially a vote you're taking from Hillary. It's allowing Trump to win.
you're right, I do know that. but of course people won't respect that, they'll just see that as enabling Trump. But i pretty much don't support this two party system either and thats what it really boils down to for me.
I can pray that Donald Trump one, apologizes for some of the things he has said. and two assembles the smartest group of individuals he can to advise him on running our country.
The thought of Hillary Clinton ins office truly shakes me to the core.
Bye, how can you imply that Donald duck would make a better president than former first lady, secretary of state, and senator Hillary Clinton? You don't seem intelligent @ all.
Everyone is boycotting Trump so much but tbh if you take all the controversy away and look at the actual point of views of the Republican candidates, Ted Cruz is so much worse. I can't believe people actually still take a guy like him serious... I rather have Trump than him. John Kasich is pretty ok imo but he won't win anyway.
It'll be Trump vs Hillary and Hillary will win, I guess.
I'll donate to Bernie if you can give me a good reason why you'd ever be more scared of a Clinton presidency than Trump.
(spoiler alert: none of my coins will be going to Bernie today!)
Because Hillary is the most untrustworthy candidate to have ever run for president. She has changed her position on a litany of issues over her career and her character is just deplorable. Her position of trade, the war, gay marriage, crime, healthcare have all changed and thats just a few. Even in the past few months she has changed positions because it seemed more politically prudent to support progressive values rather than moderate ones. A person who will do or say anything just to get into a position of power is not somebody I want leading the United States. Donald Trump is a populist moderate who's positions are politically center enough to actually make "deals" as he loves to say across the table. Yes, he's under qualified and yes he has said some ridiculous statements, but if it comes down to the two of them, I'd prefer Trump anyway. His campaign up until this point has been white noise to me because its obvious he has been appealing to a very specific demographic.Thus, I cannot support Hillary given all mounting evidence that she is just a terrible politician and person in general.
And I much prefer Bernie over Hillary. I respect Bernie because at least he believes what he is preaching, even if it is democratic socialism. I'd rather have him in the white house with an actually core set of values than her. Hillary is out of touch with the upcoming generation, and disliked by millions for very valid reasons.
Because Hillary is the most untrustworthy candidate to have ever run for president. She has changed her position on a litany of issues over her career and her character is just deplorable. Her position of trade, the war, gay marriage, crime, healthcare have all changed and thats just a few. Even in the past few months she has changed positions because it seemed more politically prudent to support progressive values rather than moderate ones. A person who will do or say anything just to get into a position of power is not somebody I want leading the United States. Donald Trump is a populist moderate who's positions are politically center enough to actually make "deals" as he loves to say across the table. Yes, he's under qualified and yes he has said some ridiculous statements, but if it comes down to the two of them, I'd prefer Trump anyway. His campaign up until this point has been white noise to me because its obvious he has been appealing to a very specific demographic.Thus, I cannot support Hillary given all mounting evidence that she is just a terrible politician and person in general.
And I much prefer Bernie over Hillary. I respect Bernie because at least he believes what he is preaching, even if it is democratic socialism. I'd rather have him in the white house with an actually core set of values than her. Hillary is out of touch with the upcoming generation, and disliked by millions for very valid reasons.
inb4 "But politicians are allowed to evolve and change their minds!!" Lolz.
I swear it's always the same argument against Hillary and it has been replied to countless and countless of times in this thread. If you are not gonna vote for her, that's fine.
Because Hillary is the most untrustworthy candidate to have ever run for president. She has changed her position on a litany of issues over her career and her character is just deplorable. Her position of trade, the war, gay marriage, crime, healthcare have all changed and thats just a few. Even in the past few months she has changed positions because it seemed more politically prudent to support progressive values rather than moderate ones. A person who will do or say anything just to get into a position of power is not somebody I want leading the United States. Donald Trump is a populist moderate who's positions are politically center enough to actually make "deals" as he loves to say across the table. Yes, he's under qualified and yes he has said some ridiculous statements, but if it comes down to the two of them, I'd prefer Trump anyway. His campaign up until this point has been white noise to me because its obvious he has been appealing to a very specific demographic.Thus, I cannot support Hillary given all mounting evidence that she is just a terrible politician and person in general.
And I much prefer Bernie over Hillary. I respect Bernie because at least he believes what he is preaching, even if it is democratic socialism. I'd rather have him in the white house with an actually core set of values than her. Hillary is out of touch with the upcoming generation, and disliked by millions for very valid reasons.
Deplorable? I'll get to what's "deplorable" about all of this in just a second.
On War: Her position on whether we need active troops in one location may have changed, but her overall position has NOT. She was the New York Senator after 9/11 and voted with others in her party who now regret the decision; that's not changing position, that's recognizing that a bad call was made in reaction to the horrific attacks we suffered, and acknowledging that mistake. That's not poor character at all. Additionally, her position has been relatively stable for the last nine years on this issue.
Healthcare: that's bull. Straight up bull. She's been working for healthcare since before most of us in this thread were born, pushing for universal coverage for two and a half decades. She's not changed a bit on that. Like many Democrats she likely thinks of single payer as an ideal end, but acknowledges that it simply cannot happen. She's consistent and tough on this issue, don't lie.
Gay Marriage: not only has her position on the issue been exactly in line with the actual American people, and in some ways with Sanders as well since we all know about that time he voted against certain measures, but also, she's been a proven advocate for the community for years despite her opinions on marriage itself. This is a weak line of attack to either her character or her consistency.
Crime: if you pull back your focus from the two things that have repeatedly been peddled throughout this election season (the superpredators comment and the corresponding bill vs. her statements now that we need to reduce mass incarceration), you'd find she's remarkably consistent there as well.
Trade: Also essentially a myth. Her votes and emails on trade have been rather consistent in supporting attempts at trade deals, but responsibly acknowledging when they fail. This is also well-documented. I would say that expecting a blanket position on trade is economically and practically irresponsible.
Now, what's deplorable is your uninformed and irresponsible stance on Trump. His campaign might be "white noise" to you, but to those of us who have been paying attention, he is absolutely the worst possible choice. He is a racist. He is a misogynist. He advocates for violence and encourages it at his rallies. He's failed to put forth an actual plan for virtually any of his proposals. He talked about his penis size on national television, openly mocks and derides anyone with whom he comes into contact, and is generally the polar opposite of Bernie, both on most of the issues and in character. Supporting Bernie over Hillary on some nebulous and ill-informed perception of character is a problem in and of itself, but hopping over to Trump in response to Bernie's inviability? That's even worse.
Hillary believes what she has preached and has always stood for solid Democratic Party ideals, and has been a member of the party for 48 years. Holding her to an unreasonably and ridiculously high standard does not change this. Her character has not been successfully questioned: neither you nor any other person opposed to her can actually point to unethical behavior, to actual examples of pandering to any voters, to any actual reason why her character and record should be questioned. You say she's out of touch, but she curiously seems to be the candidate with the MOST support on either side, and with the best and most thorough plans. You say she's hated by millions for good reasons, but you have failed to provide a single one that's nearly good enough, or really that's good at all.
Hillary is a better candidate than any of the others; attacks on her as "untrustworthy" or "dishonest" simply do NOT hold up upon any measure of scrutiny; and she will be the next President. That's all there is to it.
I think Hillary has the potential to be a better President than Bill but I don't think she'll ever be as beloved as he was/is. Too many years of lies and mudslinging by the GOP in the 90s.
I think Hillary has the potential to be a better President than Bill but I don't think she'll ever be as beloved as he was/is. Too many years of lies and mudslinging by the GOP in the 90s.
I've already come to terms with Hillary being a one-term president. She'll win this time, but her time as president will be hellish, and people will be wanting a party change because that's just how things naturally go.
Surely not Trump after he openly mocked and destroyed their son/brother.
i seriously wouldn't know who to vote, i think its stupid wasting your vote in the "lesser evil." Is bernie still planning to run independently?
