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Chart Listings: iTunes Discussion Thread (2015-2017)
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And they won't come into any conclusion. Why would they get rid of digital retailers when they've made millions of dollars? Paying $10 for a month of streaming doesn't equal paying $1.29 for a couple of songs on a daily basis. 
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Originally posted by TheO™
#144 is like 5 copies, sis lol
FYI, P!nk's fanbase don't do spotify. She is from a different era. But again you are a Rhanna fan ... her chart performances are 80% based on streaming ... her highest solo song charting on iTunes is #25. Work #56.... Not impressed about that either. |
Lol you being bothered.
#144 could be even more copy, yet Drake is higher.
And Needed Me has other versions, its not #25 with them + it was actually top15 this past week. Its bigger a hit which is #3 on Spotify getting millions each day than a song which is #3 on iTunes getting what? 80k weekly? Lol
Not to mention Needed Me is an URBAN hit, and urban songs have never sold as much as pure pop songs.
And you are acting like TIWYCF isnt selling because of Rihanna, sure. 
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Originally posted by iHype.
If a song doesn't do well on Streaming today it'll be forgotten and not that big of a hit in the end.
Example: Piece by Piece, Out of the Woods, No, Locked Away.
All hits from the past year that were #1 hits on Digital Songs with terrible streaming.
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This is not 2011 anymore, wake up you all.
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The idea that sales will be dead in a few years  Not when artists like Adele, Taylor, Drake, and Beyoncé exist they won't. Like Record Labels are going to be like, 'yeah, that's fine. It doesn't matter that we'll make 1000% less revenue or anything'.
The idea that sales are dying is a fallacy. Music buyers are obviously still out there if you make good music. It just turns out that many people don't think the music many are putting out is worth their hard-earned money. Just because Rihanna is now a streaming artist, it doesn't mean that sales will be dead in a few years. It means that people aren't willing to pay for her album. It's actually pretty simple as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
The idea that sales will be dead in a few years Not when artists like Adele, Taylor, Drake, and Beyoncé exist they won't. Like Record Labels are going to be like, 'yeah, that's fine. It doesn't matter that we'll make 1000% less revenue or anything'.
The idea that sales are dying is a fallacy. Music buyers are obviously still out there if you make good music. It just turns out that many people don't think the music many are putting out is worth their hard-earned money. Just because Rihanna is now a streaming artist, it doesn't mean that sales will be dead in a few years. It means that people aren't willing to pay for her album. It's actually pretty simple as far as I'm concerned. |
Why are you always so angry and hostile over this 
"The idea that sales are dying is a fallacy"
I guess the stats are just lying to us 
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
The idea that sales are dying is a fallacy. Music buyers are obviously still out there if you make good music. It just turns out that many people don't think the music many are putting out is worth their hard-earned money. Just because Rihanna is now a streaming artist, it doesn't mean that sales will be dead in a few years. It means that people aren't willing to pay for her album. It's actually pretty simple as far as I'm concerned.
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This is completely untrue  Just because you can name 5 artists that haven't dropped in sales as much as everyone else has doesn't mean that sales as a whole haven't fallen 50% in the last few years. A massive plummet like that can't be explained away by people thinking music isn't as good as it was before.
The idea that buying something instead of streaming it = preferring it is an extremely outdated and inaccurate way of thinking. I don't buy any music anymore, period. The ONLY time I'll consider buying something instead of streaming it is if I really want to help it chart well. As a result, I bought 0 albums in the latter half of 2015 and I've bought 1 so far in 2016. That certainly doesn't mean I only loved 1 album in that time. It means that there's no reason for me to buy music when I can listen to it through a much cheaper, easier, more convenient and still legal method of consumption.
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Hostile?
And yes, its quite incredible how Adele and Taylor have been breaking sales records left, right, and center these past few years when sales are 'dying'. Interestingly, Adele managed to break the single week sales record with Hello whilst also breaking the streaming record.
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Originally posted by shelven
This is completely untrue Just because you can name 5 artists that haven't dropped in sales as much as everyone else has doesn't mean that sales as a whole haven't fallen 50% in the last few years. A massive plummet like that can't be explained away by people thinking music isn't as good as it was before.
The idea that buying something instead of streaming it = preferring it is an extremely outdated and inaccurate way of thinking. I don't buy any music anymore, period. The ONLY time I'll consider buying something instead of streaming it is if I really want to help it chart well. As a result, I bought 0 albums in the latter half of 2015 and I've bought 1 so far in 2016. That certainly doesn't mean I only loved 1 album in that time. It means that there's no reason for me to buy music when I can listen to it through a much cheaper, easier, more convenient and still legal method of consumption. |
Music-buyers are out there. Just as many as there's always been, as exemplified through Adele and Taylor's incredible sales. Streaming is increasing, true. But that doesn't mean sales are dying. If an artist has loyal fans and good music, people will buy the album out of respect for the artist. It's sad that so very few artists command that respect from the GP, though hardly unsurprising.
Piracy has always been an issue for many decades. It just happens that those who used to listen to music illegally now have a legal method of consumption.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Hostile?
And yes, its quite incredible how Adele and Taylor have been breaking sales records left, right, and center these past few years when sales are 'dying'. Interestingly, Adele managed to break the single week sales record with Hello whilst also breaking the streaming record. |
List the artists that have sold 1M copies of albums this year and compare it to 2013
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Hostile?
And yes, its quite incredible how Adele and Taylor have been breaking sales records left, right, and center these past few years when sales are 'dying'. Interestingly, Adele managed to break the single week sales record with Hello whilst also breaking the streaming record. |
You don't seem to get that a handful of anomalies (rare exceptions, something that differentiates strongly from the rest) /=/ the whole industry.
The overall, entire industry is declining in sales. You can point out 5 artists who aren't declining; but the statement still stands, unless you can show evidence of the entire overall industry increasing in sales.
Digital sales in 2012: 1.336 billion
Digital sales in 2015: 964.76 million
If sales aren't declining, then why was there magically 400 million less digital tracks sold last year then a few years prior even with Adele and Taylor doing amazing? Did 400 million tracks just manage to not show up in the report?
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Originally posted by Rihorse#1fan
List the artists that have sold 1M copies of albums this year and compare it to 2013
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I've explained why.
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Originally posted by dussymob
What does this have to do with what I said?
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They told Khaled he can't have a #1 on itunes. So what he gon do? Get a #1 on itunes
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Originally posted by iHype.
You don't seem to get that a handful of anomalies (rare exceptions, something that differentiates strongly from the rest) /=/ the whole industry.
The overall, entire industry is declining in sales. You can point out 5 artists who aren't declining; but the statement still stands, unless you can show evidence of the entire overall industry increasing in sales.
Digital sales in 2012: 1.336 billion
Digital sales in 2015: 964.76 million
If sales aren't declining, then why was there magically 400 million less digital tracks sold last year then a few years prior even with Adele and Taylor doing amazing? Did 400 million tracks just manage to not show up in the report?
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Like I said, music-buyers are there. It's merely because many artists nowadays fail to command the respect from the general music-buying public, unfortunately. The fact that certain artists can break sales records in this day and age is proof of that.
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47 Ariana Grande Into You
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There's some faulty math going on in here. That aside, I'll never understand why the debate about streaming gets so heated.
Songs like Just Like Fire, Can't Stop the Feeling!, Lost Boy that are doing well on sales but meh on streaming just illustrate the different demographics that are buying vs. streaming music. That's all. One doesn't discredit the other.
And I think a lot of people forget that billboard re-weighted streaming down a lot this year already. They can't just split streaming in half. And as streaming continues to become more widespread, its influence on the chart will naturally increase. Its a trend that's showing no signs of slowing down.
I don't believe sales will stop being a chart component as long as the #1 seller is at least selling 20-40K a week, but I can't say for certain that sales won't eventually reach that level. Streaming is still very lucrative and its where music is headed. It just is what it is.
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Just because we have Taylor and Adele who are two phenomenons doesn't mean sales are not decreasing 
Delusional.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Music-buyers are out there. Just as many as there's always been, as exemplified through Adele and Taylor's incredible sales. Streaming is increasing, true. But that doesn't mean sales are dying. If an artist has loyal fans and good music, people will buy the album out of respect for the artist. It's sad that so very few artists command that respect from the GP, though hardly unsurprising.
Piracy has always been an issue for many decades. It just happens that those who used to listen to music illegally now have a legal method of consumption.
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You are so transparent and wrong lol
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Like I said, music-buyers are there. It's merely because many artists nowadays fail to command the respect from the general music-buying public, unfortunately. The fact that certain artists can break sales records in this day and age is proof of that.
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The decline in sales has nothing to do with "artists nowadays fail to command the respect from the general music-buying public".
People are transitioning to new ways of listening to music. As shelven said, I listen to everything through streaming now., that doesn't mean I 'respect artists less now', it means I have transitioned to a new way of listening to music.
Like pull up evidence that points to declining sales = less respect for the artists.
Even a Flo Rida hit in 2016 sells less than a Flo Rida hit in 2009. Are you suggesting Flo Rida has suddenly loss the respect of millions?
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I mean, I know many of you get so heated over this debate because you basically have no other choice to champion streaming for obvious reasons. This debate will just go round and round in circles.
I think it's best to change the topic before we all get a WP for being 'off-topic'. I'm sorry to the person that said I was hostile. I didn't mean it to come across that way.
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Why the Hive love putting Beyoncé on par with Adele and Taylor?
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