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Chart Listings: Billboard Hot 100 Singles (November 27-December 4, 2013)
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Originally posted by superben
If WB returns to #1 because of that video 
Billboard needs to revise their messy formula |
Anything is wrong, I mean, their formula is perfect since Wrecking Careers is actually the biggest hit of the week. It's not their fault that Miley created one of the mostnsucessful hits of the decade, multi-format radio hit, really good seller and streaming monster
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It's looking like WB will see an increase from 8 million to 24 million or more.
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Originally posted by Ger-55
Anything is wrong, I mean, their formula is perfect since Wrecking Careers is actually the biggest hit of the week. It's not their fault that Miley created one of the mostnsucessful hits of the decade, multi-format radio hit, really good seller and streaming monster
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I strongly disagree with this sentiment.
When a song's "streams" are coming from a video that isn't about the music at all, but rather a spectacle video based on shock/viral value that doesn't make it the most popular song.
If a cat video of an adorable kitten eating a lemon, then freaking out, went viral and just happened to have Xtina's "Your Body" playing in the background would that then be the biggest hit of the week? No one is watching the video for the song.....
Seems foolish, and this is coming from someone whose favs are helped by the streaming rule 
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
If a cat video of an adorable kitting eating a lemon then freaking out went viral and just happened to have Xtina's "Your Body" playing in the background would that then be the biggest hit of the week? No one is watching the video for the song.....
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
If a cat video of an adorable kitting eating a lemon then freaking out went viral and just happened to have Xtina's "Your Body" playing in the background would that then be the biggest hit of the week? No one is watching the video for the song.....
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Lol, I'm pretty visual. I hope someone tries to turn it into reality. 
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Member Since: 12/15/2008
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Predictions:
1. Wrecking Ball +2 (38% of lead)
2. The Monster =
3. Royals -2
4. Counting Stars =
5. Timber +3
6. Wake Me Up -1
7. Demons -1
8. Roar -1
9. Story Of My Life
10. Hold On, We're Going Home -1
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
I strongly disagree with this sentiment.
When a song's "streams" are coming from a video that isn't about the music at all, but rather a spectacle video based on shock/viral value that doesn't make it the most popular song.
If a cat video of an adorable kitten eating a lemon, then freaking out, went viral and just happened to have Xtina's "Your Body" playing in the background would that then be the biggest hit of the week? No one is watching the video for the song.....
Seems foolish, and this is coming from someone whose favs are helped by the streaming rule |
Except this video is a completely obvious spoof of the actual WB video and has succeeded only based on the recognizability of Miley's video. Your making up of a hypothetical situation hardly changes that.
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Originally posted by Dephira
Except this video is a completely obvious spoof of the actual WB video and has succeeded only based on the recognizability of Miley's video. Your making up of a hypothetical situation hardly changes that.
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Well TBh I would extend my argument to the WB video itself.
I love the song, but I am not delusional enough to not realize that the bulk of the viewers watching it are not doing it for the music 
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1. Wrecking Ball
2. The Monster
3. Royals
4. Timber
5. Counting Stars
6. Wake Me Up
7. Demons
8. Roar
9. Story Of My Life
10. Hold On, We're Going Home /Say Something (New Entry)
I think Timber will be above Counting Stars because its large difference in digital and streaming will offset radio.
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It's pretty interesting, the fact that this man has the kind of power that ATRLers wished they had. I mean he can make another video with any song he wants and turn it into a hit on Billboard.
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Originally posted by Kamil24
It's pretty interesting, the fact that this man has the kind of power that ATRLers wished they had. I mean he can make another video with any song he wants and turn it into a hit on Billboard.
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It was a hypothetical
Twas making the point that a videos popularity is not always dependent on the song in the video. Thus a hit video does not always mean a hit song.
I know it's a complicated concept for you to wrap your head around sis. I feel for ya. 
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Wrecking Ball is legitimately the most popular song of the week in this case, given that the viral video's basis is WB's music video.
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Originally posted by Retro
Wrecking Ball is legitimately the most popular song of the week in this case, given that the viral video's basis is WB's music video.
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...or does that make the WB video the most popular video?
I don't see that a videos popularity and its songs popularity always have to have a 1:1 correlation.
Wrecking Ball has sold well, but not nearly proportionally to the success of its video.
Edit: To be clear. Under the rules WB 100% deserves to be #1. I just have an issue with including music videos with streaming numbers.
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
...or does that make the WB video the most popular video?
I don't see that a videos popularity and its songs popularity always have to have a 1:1 correlation.
Wrecking Ball has sold well, but not nearly proportionally to the success of its video.
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Well, that's because a song's video's popularity is just one aspect of the song's overall popularity. Think of it kind of like those songs that are huge on radio but go nowhere in sales, or songs like "Poker Face" that sold tons but were never that huge on radio.
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Originally posted by Retro
Well, that's because a song's video's popularity is just one aspect of the song's overall popularity. Think of it kind of like those songs that are huge on radio but go nowhere in sales, or songs like "Poker Face" that sold tons but were never that huge on radio.
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I agree on some level. Music videos are increasingly important, but I do feel like there should be more debate on how/when youtube streams are counted.
Bookmark me. Some day soon we will get a totally BS #1 based on a viral video that includes a song that no one even notices in the video, no one cares about, no one knows the artist, and no one really believes is the most popular song in the country. Hell.... it may just be a 40 second audio clip in a 3 minute video.
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
If a cat video of an adorable kitten eating a lemon, then freaking out, went viral and just happened to have Xtina's "Your Body" playing in the background would that then be the biggest hit of the week? No one is watching the video for the song.....
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Just a small example of what he would say in 1D base. Join us for more fun 
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Wrecking Careers back to #1 
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Originally posted by WaffleCakes
Well TBh I would extend my argument to the WB video itself.
I love the song, but I am not delusional enough to not realize that the bulk of the viewers watching it are not doing it for the music |
Pop music's been just as much about image as the music for decades (think Madonna and all her controversy etc.) I mean, would 1D get so many views on their songs if they weren't all ridiculously attractive? Don't get me wrong, I love their music, but you can't deny that if they were ugly they wouldn't be so popular.
Miley, Lady Gaga etc. use controversy to get views. One Direction, Justin Bieber etc. use good looks. They all make good music. It's just the way it is, and has been for years. Music's a business, creating iconic pop culture moments like the Wrecking Ball music video is just good marketing. Why shouldn't Miley benefit from the covers and parodies that her video inspired?
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Originally posted by JosheeMonster
Pop music's been just as much about image as the music for decades (think Madonna and all her controversy etc.) I mean, would 1D get so many views on their songs if they weren't all ridiculously attractive? Don't get me wrong, I love their music, but you can't deny that if they were ugly they wouldn't be so popular.
Miley, Lady Gaga etc. use controversy to get views. One Direction, Justin Bieber etc. use good looks. They all make good music. It's just the way it is, and has been for years. Music's a business, creating iconic pop culture moments like the Wrecking Ball music video is just good marketing. Why shouldn't Miley benefit from the covers and parodies that her video inspired?
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At least only covers and parodies who generates revenue in $. Now you can get a Billboard hit who doesn't make money? This concept seems a failure.
If I were Billboard, I would even use the likes / dislike ratio of yt etc. to measure my hit charts.
A number one song should be what is most beloved by the people.
Well, Ears and Eyes are different in our awareness. We don't wanna hear a bad sound ut we like to see "bad things", like a car accident, bad news etc. even if it disgusts us, not because we are bad people, no, because we want to learn but we can't almost nothing learn from a terrible noise.
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Streams of any kind generate ad revenue on YouTube. I believe it was mentioned that Baauer and his label Mad Decent actually made quite a lot of money off those 30 second clips of Harlem Shake.
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