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TV Show: AHS: Roanoke | Paleyfest Panel: 3/26 | Season 7: 2017
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The meltdown 
It's NOT that serious. It NEVER was
People crying about lack of consistency when that's all ahs ever been. Lazy Writing. sure it has some stellar episodes once or twice in a season but overall all seasons lack a clear concise plot. Every season has plot threads still open by the finale. Its an anthology there is only so much you can do in 13 episodes. Like I watch it cause it's really entertaining and there is always the hope Ryan will do something amazing |
Really? Because the first 2 seasons, and the first half of season 3 disagree. Especially Asylum. There is NOTHING lazy about Asylum, even Murder House. Even Freakshow had better writing than Hotel.
Can you honestly give me a plot synopsis for Hotel?
Let me try:
The Countess is ****ing her way through the decades, turning people into vampires with no one noticing, we have a 10 CK but we've never seen him in action, there are some ghost in the Hotel that just randomly walk around and kill, The police officer's wife finds her son Holden, but instead of going to the police, takes him back to the person that abandon him who turns her into a vampire as well, who turns another little boy into a vampire, who then creates a vampire outbreak.
Oh, and there's a random cleaning lady that cleans blood from sheets, and a Li tribute that has no apparent role in this, he's just there. Oh, and The Countess ex Ramona kidnapped The Countess more recent ex to forge a plan to kill her, which in fact should not be that hard since she can die. Poison her, stab her, slice her, eat her. Just kill her. but NO. You are too afraid of her for some unknown reason. Is it because of her little blade glove? RUUUN. RUUUUN for ya lives people. There's a vamped up version of Lady Gaga who kills people with a blade glove and y'all should be scared of her just because we've said so.
YAAS Queen of writing, Ryan. Give him all the Emmy's now 
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I haven't posted here for so long since i was banned. But i just had to share my thoughts.
I find this season to be all over the place and as of now, its going absolutely NOWHERE. I can't believe how much the quality and the writing of this show has gone downhill since the iconic Asylum.
This season has provided us with some of the worst writing of the show so far. You can drag me all you want for this, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this season is mediocre at best.
First of all. What's with all the god damn SEX? This is honestly turned into a soft **** movie. It's gotten to a point where its RIDICULOUS and so pointless and random. I feel like there's a pointless sex scene every other 5 minutes.
Sex and horror go hand in hand, that's a given, and any true horror fan knows that. But the sex should NEVER eclipse the horror aspect of the show Which is what's happening with Hotel. Its been only 6 episodes and we got like, what? 30 frickin sex scenes? ENOUGH. You are not edgy or groundbreaking by having random people having sex constantly. Nor are you being horror if you add 2 gallons of blood in each sex scene. Ryan has failed MISERABLY in this aspect.
Sex has always been a huge part of this show. Whether its rape, orgies, Minotaur rape, orgies, Bloodyface rape. But they ALWAYS were done in a way that kind of made sense. They gave you that horror feeling. They made you feel uncomfortable, and not just because you were watching a sex scene.
Lets break it down. We've seen The Countess have sex with Tristan, Ramona, Will, Will and Tristan, Will Tristan and The Countess, The Countess and Matt Bomer's character(dont even remember his name), The blond girls with that Asian, The blond girls and John, John and Alex, the drilldo monster, John and Sally, Sally and the New Girl guy. And these are just those that i can recall.
AND ITS ONLY BEEN LIKE 6 ****ING EPISODES.
So, we've basically seen The Countess **** her way through the 1970s till today and some other randoms. By adding a few GALLONS of blood in there, does NOT make it horror. All these sex scenes are so pointless and are taking away from the horror aspect of the show, as well as the story progression.
I truly think the reason for all these is Gaga herself. Ryan is fan boying over her and its ruining the show.
Now lets talk about the writing. This season is so over the place, i just CANT keep up with what's happening. random scene, random conversations, random random random. Nothing that keeps the story going.
How can Alex just come in the Hotel, snatch Holden and then take him back home? and then she took him back to the hotel, and The Countess turned her into a vampire?  All in frickin episode. How unrealistic is that?
Then, all the **** that's happening with John. Who has one ****ed up story line after another, and again. NOTHING is making any sense. Yes, he is probably the 10 CK. All his scenes are so pointless though.
There is NO clear plot line. NOTHING is making any sense. The story is HORRIBLE. I feel like Ryan is just writing for shock factor and for messy little monsters to scream YAAAS Gaga.
The most interesting parts of this season, Sally and Mr March get SOO little screen time, its criminal. Ryan has all these talented as **** actors and actresses and he is doing them SOOO wrong. Sally has done literally NOTHING so far, other than **** a few people, kill Iris and **** like that. What's with her? Why is she important to the story? Why is ANYONE important to the story?
Even Freakshow had more consistent writing. And i still don't get Liz's role in all these. Denis is doing one HELL of a job with this role, but i still don't understand the significance of Liz. And how she accepted to be a part in all these. She just wanted to be a trans r whatever. So he accepted to stay in the Hotel, and kill and feed The Countess just like that? REALLY?
Another thing that's bugging me is the whole 10CK ****. Why have we never seen him in action? He is this season's mystery killer. But we've only heard of him, and saw the aftermath of his killings. Why aren't we seeing him in action? We saw Rubber Man killing, we saw Bloodyface killing, we saw Dandy killing, we even saw The Axe Man in action. Why should we feel afraid of this 10 CK when we haven't seen him ONCE so far?
And now, to the worst thing that has happened to this show. Non other than Lady Gaga. YES. I said it I don;t care if you Little Monsters drag me.
You can check my comments before the season started, where i said that i thought Lady Gaga will potentially be AMAZING in this, as she fits in with the whole AHS craze. Boy, was i proven wrong.
First of all, her acting is BAD. Its not mediocre, it's not okay. It's BAD. She's so bland and one-dimensional as an actress. She shows NO emotion whatsoever, no charisma, no talent. I swear i CRINGE whenever she appears on screen. I can't at how she always delivers each line the EXACT same way, with the EXACT same tone. And here i am, reading comments in this thread and Gaga fans were like 'YAAAS Gaga CRIIEED, QUEEN OF ACTINGGGGG, GIVE HER THEM EEEMYYYY, THE TONYYYYY''
Are y'all serious?
And also, let's not at the fact that The Countess is basically a vamped up version of Lady Gaga. Ryan obviously wrote the part with Gaga in mind. We've seen her wear this long and stylish gowns, attend fashion shows, events, ****ing her way from 1970s till today. So this is who The Countess is? This is who we should be afraid of?
Why the hell is everyone afraid of her when she hasn't shown ONE thing to be afraid of? She can kill you with her little blade glove? Just STAB the bitch. Or poison her.
Everyone keeps saying how afraid of her they are. I honestly don't see ANYTHING frightening about her. And the scene were she kills Tristan is SOOO BAD. You have Denis, giving the performance of his life, and Gaga ruining the moment.
Why don't they just poison her? Or even better, send the Drilldo demon on her fat ass? She CAN die. Why don't they kill her then?
Her facial expressions always give me such a KIII.
Look, i have NOTHING against Gaga. She is a great artist when it comes to music. But she is a BAD actress. The END.
As a HUGE fan of this show, and as a HUGE fan of Horror, I'm so disappointed in this season. It seemed to have all the right material to be GREAT. It seemed dark, scary. But it's the opposite. The horror aesthetic of this show is completely GONE.
And it's such a shame. With probably the most talented cast a show has ever seen, you just CAN'T treat them this way.
I must give credit to where credit's due. Lily Rabe's performance was MESMERIZING. She completely took my breath away. Definitely this season's best moment, and she only appeared for like, 15-20 minutes in one episode.
Ryan needs to get his **** together and sign her as a main cast for next season. She is just too good.
I would also love to see some of the original return. Connie, Alex, Dylan, Frances hell, even Taissa. And of course, Jessica.
I know i might have said that the show could use a break from jessica. But i was sooo wrong. Jessica IS the show. It just doesn't feel like AHS without her. But i seriously can't picture her being in this season.
Asylum will forever remain the most ICONIC and BRILLIANT of all. It will be considered a horror classic in the near future. Everything about it was EXCELLENT. From the story, the acting, the characters, the consistency. A true masterpiece.  |
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I never said this season had great writing. I just said all seasons have lazy writing so it's pretty redundant to complain about it. Like just watch the season and give your full opinion once the season ends or at least in episode 10 or later. Not when we're only halfway in the season.
This is only my opinion.
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Seems you bottled up some frustrations cypriot
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Seems you bottled up some frustrations cypriot
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Tbh, i'm a big fan of this show. It honestly holds a special place in my heart. I'm a huge horror fan and this show clicked with me. The first 2 seasons were so amazing, as was the first part of Coven. But then something happened and it all went downhill. It's like, Ryan stop caring about the audience, and just did whatever pleased him. I hate to this the show not living up to its great potential.
That's why i'm so hard at this season. It's a show i want to stick around.
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Originally posted by cypriotpcdfan
Tbh, i'm a big fan of this show. It honestly holds a special place in my heart. I'm a huge horror fan and this show clicked with me. The first 2 seasons were so amazing, as was the first part of Coven. But then something happened and it all went downhill. It's like, Ryan stop caring about the audience, and just did whatever pleased him. I hate to this the show not living up to its great potential.
That's why i'm so hard at this season. It's a show i want to stick around.
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Stop being so dramatic, the show just got renewed...
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This is 100x better than Freakshow.
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Originally posted by cypriotpcdfan
I haven't posted here for so long since i was banned. But i just had to share my thoughts.
I find this season to be all over the place and as of now, its going absolutely NOWHERE. I can't believe how much the quality and the writing of this show has gone downhill since the iconic Asylum.
This season has provided us with some of the worst writing of the show so far. You can drag me all you want for this, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this season is mediocre at best.
First of all. What's with all the god damn SEX? This is honestly turned into a soft **** movie. It's gotten to a point where its RIDICULOUS and so pointless and random. I feel like there's a pointless sex scene every other 5 minutes.
Sex and horror go hand in hand, that's a given, and any true horror fan knows that. But the sex should NEVER eclipse the horror aspect of the show Which is what's happening with Hotel. Its been only 6 episodes and we got like, what? 30 frickin sex scenes? ENOUGH. You are not edgy or groundbreaking by having random people having sex constantly. Nor are you being horror if you add 2 gallons of blood in each sex scene. Ryan has failed MISERABLY in this aspect.
Sex has always been a huge part of this show. Whether its rape, orgies, Minotaur rape, orgies, Bloodyface rape. But they ALWAYS were done in a way that kind of made sense. They gave you that horror feeling. They made you feel uncomfortable, and not just because you were watching a sex scene.
Lets break it down. We've seen The Countess have sex with Tristan, Ramona, Will, Will and Tristan, Will Tristan and The Countess, The Countess and Matt Bomer's character(dont even remember his name), The blond girls with that Asian, The blond girls and John, John and Alex, the drilldo monster, John and Sally, Sally and the New Girl guy. And these are just those that i can recall.
AND ITS ONLY BEEN LIKE 6 ****ING EPISODES.
So, we've basically seen The Countess **** her way through the 1970s till today and some other randoms. By adding a few GALLONS of blood in there, does NOT make it horror. All these sex scenes are so pointless and are taking away from the horror aspect of the show, as well as the story progression.
I truly think the reason for all these is Gaga herself. Ryan is fan boying over her and its ruining the show.
Now lets talk about the writing. This season is so over the place, i just CANT keep up with what's happening. random scene, random conversations, random random random. Nothing that keeps the story going.
How can Alex just come in the Hotel, snatch Holden and then take him back home? and then she took him back to the hotel, and The Countess turned her into a vampire? All in frickin episode. How unrealistic is that?
Then, all the **** that's happening with John. Who has one ****ed up story line after another, and again. NOTHING is making any sense. Yes, he is probably the 10 CK. All his scenes are so pointless though.
There is NO clear plot line. NOTHING is making any sense. The story is HORRIBLE. I feel like Ryan is just writing for shock factor and for messy little monsters to scream YAAAS Gaga.
The most interesting parts of this season, Sally and Mr March get SOO little screen time, its criminal. Ryan has all these talented as **** actors and actresses and he is doing them SOOO wrong. Sally has done literally NOTHING so far, other than **** a few people, kill Iris and **** like that. What's with her? Why is she important to the story? Why is ANYONE important to the story?
Even Freakshow had more consistent writing. And i still don't get Liz's role in all these. Denis is doing one HELL of a job with this role, but i still don't understand the significance of Liz. And how she accepted to be a part in all these. She just wanted to be a trans r whatever. So he accepted to stay in the Hotel, and kill and feed The Countess just like that? REALLY?
Another thing that's bugging me is the whole 10CK ****. Why have we never seen him in action? He is this season's mystery killer. But we've only heard of him, and saw the aftermath of his killings. Why aren't we seeing him in action? We saw Rubber Man killing, we saw Bloodyface killing, we saw Dandy killing, we even saw The Axe Man in action. Why should we feel afraid of this 10 CK when we haven't seen him ONCE so far?
And now, to the worst thing that has happened to this show. Non other than Lady Gaga. YES. I said it I don;t care if you Little Monsters drag me.
You can check my comments before the season started, where i said that i thought Lady Gaga will potentially be AMAZING in this, as she fits in with the whole AHS craze. Boy, was i proven wrong.
First of all, her acting is BAD. Its not mediocre, it's not okay. It's BAD. She's so bland and one-dimensional as an actress. She shows NO emotion whatsoever, no charisma, no talent. I swear i CRINGE whenever she appears on screen. I can't at how she always delivers each line the EXACT same way, with the EXACT same tone. And here i am, reading comments in this thread and Gaga fans were like 'YAAAS Gaga CRIIEED, QUEEN OF ACTINGGGGG, GIVE HER THEM EEEMYYYY, THE TONYYYYY''
Are y'all serious?
And also, let's not at the fact that The Countess is basically a vamped up version of Lady Gaga. Ryan obviously wrote the part with Gaga in mind. We've seen her wear this long and stylish gowns, attend fashion shows, events, ****ing her way from 1970s till today. So this is who The Countess is? This is who we should be afraid of?
Why the hell is everyone afraid of her when she hasn't shown ONE thing to be afraid of? She can kill you with her little blade glove? Just STAB the bitch. Or poison her.
Everyone keeps saying how afraid of her they are. I honestly don't see ANYTHING frightening about her. And the scene were she kills Tristan is SOOO BAD. You have Denis, giving the performance of his life, and Gaga ruining the moment.
Why don't they just poison her? Or even better, send the Drilldo demon on her fat ass? She CAN die. Why don't they kill her then?
Her facial expressions always give me such a KIII.
Look, i have NOTHING against Gaga. She is a great artist when it comes to music. But she is a BAD actress. The END.
As a HUGE fan of this show, and as a HUGE fan of Horror, I'm so disappointed in this season. It seemed to have all the right material to be GREAT. It seemed dark, scary. But it's the opposite. The horror aesthetic of this show is completely GONE.
And it's such a shame. With probably the most talented cast a show has ever seen, you just CAN'T treat them this way.
I must give credit to where credit's due. Lily Rabe's performance was MESMERIZING. She completely took my breath away. Definitely this season's best moment, and she only appeared for like, 15-20 minutes in one episode.
Ryan needs to get his **** together and sign her as a main cast for next season. She is just too good.
I would also love to see some of the original return. Connie, Alex, Dylan, Frances hell, even Taissa. And of course, Jessica.
I know i might have said that the show could use a break from jessica. But i was sooo wrong. Jessica IS the show. It just doesn't feel like AHS without her. But i seriously can't picture her being in this season.
Asylum will forever remain the most ICONIC and BRILLIANT of all. It will be considered a horror classic in the near future. Everything about it was EXCELLENT. From the story, the acting, the characters, the consistency. A true masterpiece. |
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AAAAAAAAAnnnyway after that unnecessary meltdown:
I didn't realise on my first viewings that Coven & Murder House confirmed linked universes. Constance says in the epilogue of Murder House that the devil baby came from her distant cousins, the Delompres of New Orleans. Mimi Delompre was an early supreme in Coven.
Hopefully S6 will tie up the loose end with Michael Langdon. The antichrist storyline they built up in Murder House definitely has potential.
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I didn't read that post. So this isn't even in response to that, but I truthfully don't care what anybody says this season is a step up from Freak Show, and that's all I really wanted and they delivered.
Also a few pages back I saw people speculating about season 6. American Horror Story: Church sounds a little off to me, but if they decide to do something along those lines I think American Horror Story: Chapel sounds better. Religion was huge in Asylum, so I don't know if it'd translate well again. It would depend on the execution.
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So far my favourite character has been liz, such a queen
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AAAAAAAAAnnnyway after that unnecessary meltdown:
I didn't realise on my first viewings that Coven & Murder House confirmed linked universes. Constance says in the epilogue of Murder House that the devil baby came from her distant cousins, the Delompres of New Orleans. Mimi Delompre was an early supreme in Coven.
Hopefully S6 will tie up the loose end with Michael Langdon. The antichrist storyline they built up in Murder House definitely has potential.
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S6 will take place in the past tho
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If I hated a show that much even if I loved it for a few seasons, I would immediately stop watching it. I wouldn't be wasting my time like that. Writing that essay even makes the irony worse.
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In the beginning of the Flicker promo, is that Marcy in the yellow outfit getting knocked out by the door? I wonder who that is
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This goes to everyone who wants to compare Freakshow and Hotel: Your argument is invalid by default if you say that Freakshow had a plot.
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People think it's easy to play a character with ZERO EMOTION.....That's how people with zero emotion act: lifeless, always the same tone, same expressions. And if you think this is BAD ACTING, I think it's the opposite. It's pretty hard to be THAT COLD and EMOTIONLESS.
For comparison......Just watch a Gaga concert, where she kinda "acts" aswell and it's FULL OF PERSONALITY.
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Did anybody else laugh at the way Liz says,
"Please, after all I've done, let me just have this one?"
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So much hyperbole in that post. Anyway:
-i don't get the complaints about the sex ruining the horror aspect when sex is such a popular element in the horror genre. The thought of someone turning on you in such a vulnerable state is indeed horrifying.
- I do agree the Countess needs to be more fearsome. Right now her evil is mostly contained to her romantic dalliances at the hotel, but there needs to be a sense of "it could happen to you" more often for her killings to hit a nerve IMO.
- Honestly, Lady Gaga is not that bad. Her dialog is overly mannered and she can seem stiff because of that, but it works for the character IMO. She's cold, remote, and alien. I'm actually pleasantly surprised she's not hamming it up like I thought she would.
-I don't think we really need to see the 10CK in action for the deaths to be effective. Though that said, I'm not the biggest gore fan, so ymmv.
-The writing is indeed uneven.The character development has left a lot to be desired, and the characterization for Tristan has been inconsistent in particular. I agree that they're letting the cast down with this amateurish writing. However, when the writing is on all cylinders it's really good (the school scene for instance).
-I enjoyed Asylum and do agree it's the best season, but lbr, it had its own problems. The show has never been flawfree or anything. Though it's occasionally moving, its main strength has always been the fact that it's entertaining, balls to the wall, and you get to see these great actors in these insane situations. I love the show, but I can acknowledge that it has never been a Breaking Bad, Mad Men or The Wire type of show tbqh.
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Tristan, so full of happiness. Then suddenly...
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Poor Liz losing her sexy lover! 
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