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Discussion: Pop Stars are WAY overpaid
Member Since: 4/3/2011
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Stop listening Pink and support indie entertainment like ARTPOP.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
I think you overestimate how influential people like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashion are. Sure, they probably have a few stans each, but the majority of the population laughs at them, not with them. However, making people laugh at your expense is also a form of entertainment hence the large earnings which come with the good ratings their tv shows get. I, like the majority of the population I hope, have far far more esteem for any doctor or any teacher than I do for Kim Kardashian. However, I would not go watch a doctor operate a patient where as sometimes I will watch an episode of the Kardashians for fun and entertainment to empty my brain after a day's work and that's how they get the money.
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Ands that's what I said in my previous response. Its one thing to create entertainment. But don't you think their paycheck is a bit over-inflated for someone society views as clowns? Then again this is a bigger issue with contemporary culture, where we have the wealthy just earning too much, while everyone else is literally losing wealth. But that's a discussion for another day.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by inspiration4
I didn't.
If you read it, you'll see I finished with "How do you put a value on that?"
Therefore, I'm asking, How do you?... You know since you said pop stars, who's job's are to provide music and entertain, are overpaid. You put limitations on their value, and therefore their offering (music) to the world.
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I kind of explained the concept of value in my subsequent post.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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They're not paid based on the value of their work, they're paid based on the amount of revenue they generate.
Anyone can be a doctor, scientist, lawyer, etc. but there's only one Beyonce. If Beyonce is helping bringing in 40 billion dollars in revenue to Pepsi, you're telling me she shouldn't get a small cut of that?
Ya'll know nothing about microeconomics. 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by princedonte
I'm shock at how far y'all heads are up these celebs asses. No wonder why this generation is a mess.
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Tew. Much.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by NE.
They're not paid based on the value of their work, they're paid based on the amount of revenue they generate.
Anyone can be a doctor, scientist, lawyer, etc. but there's only one Beyonce. If Beyonce is helping bringing in 40 billion dollars in revenue to Pepsi, you're telling me she shouldn't get a small cut of that?
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It's harder to be a scientist than a Beyonce, or a P!nk or a Britney.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
Music is wonderful. Entertainment is great. We all need it.
It's about the priorities.
Think about your day. Can you go a day without listening to music? can you go a day without seeing your fave celeb on TV?
Now, can you go a day without fresh water? without food? Much harder, right? A mix of many different professions made it possible to have these things. Yet, we know the name of our favorite celeb, but we don't know the name of the person that invented penicillin and saved billions of lives (I'm sure some of you know his name, but I'm speaking about the society in general).
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Alright, so instead of getting my life from Beyoncé, I should be getting my life from Louis Pasteur, Alexander Fleming, and the grocer down the street?
Sure all those people have made great contributions to society, and they are respected, but they don't give us the pleasure that those in the entertainment industry do daily. Hence, we focus the most on those who give us pleasure every day. What is so wrong with that?
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by Doc
The sheer fact that they work in entertainment is the reason why we worship them more than workers in other fields.
People stan because it makes them happy. Entertainment makes them happy. Why should people instead focus on stanning down for doctors and teachers and scientists when it just doesn't make them as happy?
I can't imagine "worshiping" some teacher or some scientist, like what?
That's what I don't understand about this "value" argument. It just doesn't make sense.
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School didn't make you happy? The technology in your phone didn't make you happy ? You feel like people like Kim Kardashian more important than the rest of society. You are a terrible person. You just disrespected our whole society to praise some lame reality star. The fact that people like you exist makes me sad for humanity. You worship celebs like Gods you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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Member Since: 11/20/2010
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There are thousands upon thousands of employed scientist,teachers etc. and only a handful of high paid celebs. So yes the distribution of wealth is evenly matched across the job spectrum. Most artist are poorly paid, only your mega stars will see the bing bang.
If there were only as many scientist as there are pop stars the demand for the career would be a lot higher and they would be much more paid.
Its supply and demand. It is economics 101.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by princedonte
School didn't make you happy? The technology in your phone didn't make you happy ? You feel like people like Kim Kardashian more important than the rest of society. You are a terrible person. You just disrespected our whole society to praise some lame reality star. The fact that people like you exist makes me sad for humanity. You worship celebs like Gods you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by princedonte
School didn't make you happy? The technology in your phone didn't make you happy ? You feel like people like Kim Kardashian more important than the rest of society. You are a terrible person. You just disrespected our whole society to praise some lame reality star. The fact that people like you exist makes me sad for humanity. You worship celebs like Gods you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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Donte please turn down a bit.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
It's harder to be a scientist than a Beyonce, or a P!nk or a Britney.
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It's impossible to pay someone based on "value"or "contribution", b/c they are abstract concepts. Revenue is not.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by princedonte
School didn't make you happy? The technology in your phone didn't make you happy ? You feel like people like Kim Kardashian more important than the rest of society. You are a terrible person. You just disrespected our whole society to praise some lame reality star. The fact that people like you exist makes me sad for humanity. You worship celebs like Gods you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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I have to admit, for a second I thought he had a point 
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Member Since: 2/20/2012
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Originally posted by FatShady
Anyone can be a doctor but there can only be one Britney Spears.
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This is a lie.
Anybody can be a pop star if they suck Dr. Luke's dick enough tbh.
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Ands that's what I said in my previous response. Its one thing to create entertainment. But don't you think their paycheck is a bit over-inflated for someone society views as clowns? Then again this is a bigger issue with contemporary culture, where we have the wealthy just earning too much, while everyone else is literally losing wealth. But that's a discussion for another day.
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Well if that's the problem it goes back to what I said in my first post in this topic : if the money isn't going to those society views a clowns or to those holding the strings behind the scenes, then it can only go to the state via taxes since it won't magically disappear. Basically, you're asking for higher taxes, which is possible : for example under FDR the highest marginal tax rate was 94%, but that was in a (largely) closed economy.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
The sheer fact that they work in entertainment is the reason why we worship them more than workers in other fields.
People stan because it makes them happy. Entertainment makes them happy. Why should people instead focus on stanning down for doctors and teachers and scientists when it just doesn't make them as happy?
I can't imagine "worshiping" some teacher or some scientist, like what?
That's what I don't understand about this "value" argument. It just doesn't make sense.
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You stan for an artist because you like their music. Okay I get that. Humans need entertainment, of course I understand that. I just find it weird, that they along with athletes, and actors are earning a little too much. But what would be the point of having all that money? How much wealth is too much wealth? Now I understand that they make their money through many different avenues. And music isn't usually the bulk of that wealth. Things like endorsements are just way over-inflated.
And I'm not saying worshipping some teacher, no one should be worshipping anyone. But some careers do deserve more pay than others.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
Music is wonderful. Entertainment is great. We all need it.
It's about the priorities.
Think about your day. Can you go a day without listening to music? can you go a day without seeing your fave celeb on TV?
Now, can you go a day without fresh water? without food? Much harder, right? A mix of many different professions made it possible to have these things. Yet, we know the name of our favorite celeb, but we don't know the name of the person that invented penicillin and saved billions of lives (I'm sure some of you know his name, but I'm speaking about the society in general).
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You're mixing ideas here.
Would a typical person be able to name the musician who pioneered music videos? Or what Marilyn's Monroe first movie was? No. Why? Because it's in the past. Same with past medical discoveries. That's just a temporal argument.
You're making it seem like people spend $100's daily on music when they could have only spent $15.99 ONCE this December on Beyoncé's album (like I did). But because millions did it also, Beyoncé made $15 million.
The only solution to this problem is that people get more diverse taste in entertainment so not everyone is flocking to the same song/album/movie. Or we ask musicians to sell music for pennies...which, if enough people bought, would still amount to millions.
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Member Since: 6/30/2012
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smh I hate when people come for Celebrities like this. Pop stars are products. They are worth a lot of money to their record labels and to keep them happy they throw a load of cash at them. Doctors aren't products or a brand.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
Well if that's the problem it goes back to what I said in my first post in this topic : if the money isn't going to those society views a clowns or to those holding the strings behind the scenes, then it can only go to the state via taxes since it won't magically disappear. Basically, you're asking for higher taxes, which is possible : for example under FDR the highest marginal tax rate was 94%, but that was in a closed economy.
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And all that happened due to changes within the last 30 or so years. The wealth is uneven. The amount of money a middle income person gets is much less than it ever was before. But the income a wealthy person gets is higher than ever. This is a problem with our broken society, which got too greedy for its own good.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
It's harder to be a scientist than a Beyonce, or a P!nk or a Britney.
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You completely missed my point.
A doctor's pay and celebrities pay are completely irrelevant to each other. People are not paid on the difficulty of their work. They're paid on their economic value.
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